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Featured Authority, truth, pride, and prejudice

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by idea, Mar 17, 2021.

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  1. I believe my church is the only true church on the earth and all others faiths are false.

  2. I identify with a religious belief system which does not teach it is better than other faiths.

  3. I identify with a religious belief system, but hold different personal beliefs than the group.

  4. I do not affiliate with any religious group because I have not found a "true" group yet.

  5. I do not affiliate with any single religious group because I believe God works equally with everyone

  6. I do not affiliate with any religious group because I am an atheist.

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  1. idea

    idea Well-Known Member

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    For those who believes they belong to the one and only "true" church holding the only authority on the earth:
    • How do you view those who are not of your faith?
    • Do you agree 100% with the leaders in your faith and see them as having more knowledge and authority than you? Do you trust your own mind more, or do you trust your leaders more?
    • How many close friends do you have outside of your faith vs. how many friends hold the same faith as you?

    For those who do not affiliate with a church which claims it is the one and only true church:
    • Describe your community, do you feel supported and close to those around you?
    • What knits your community together?

    ** I am trying to de-program myself. Having spent most of my life in various "true" church groups (grew up in one, spend early adult life in a different one), my heart aches for a feeling of belonging somewhere, and having that childlike faith in a loving God. I cannot belong to anything which holds itself above others, believes it knows more than others etc. Having rejected the group I grew up in, and again rejected my DH's religious group - love quite a few of the people, but cannot agree with those doctrines, or any group thinking they are "chosen" above others. For each group, rejecting the group has been equated to rejecting God and rejecting all of the people in the group, and everyone politely holds me at arm's length and feels sorry that I have "lost faith". I can't get my mind around the rejection of both of these groups - really bothers me, when logically I know it should not. Just returning from another family outing that could have been soooo much better if pressure to join a group, and alienation for not being part of their group was not there....
     
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  2. rational experiences

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    As a human who asked why so much suffering in life when status spiritual is loving kind caring I researched a truth.

    I saw less spirituality and more human egotism and coercion. I cared. I loved. I suffered anguish at seeing suffering.

    The answer I gained was family first.
    Extended family first. Natural ability to reason. Cannot all be born from the exact same two parents sex act.

    So we say history owned multi two same human DNA bodies for everyone. Our parents.

    Family the real group first.

    Family naturally spiritual. Naturally living kind and caring.

    Elder and wiser cared for the young whilst healthy toiled for existence.

    Perfectly balanced.

    The real group and community.

    Then I questioned what changed. Group bullying did. The occult science group that bully. Introduction to cult manipulated bullying.

    Our human truth science historically created all problems by the want of its inventions.

    Radiation attack the reason for all other problems inherited.

    Community then implemented healing of the body and mind and behaviours.

    How organisation of spiritual groups owned medical conditions.
     
  3. KenS

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    It was a little difficult to find a specific answer.

    You could belong to a one true church but still have portions that you don't have right. Does that make it false? (I think it is a growing process).

    I believe God works to grab the attention of all people but I believe religions have parts that are true and parts that are false. (Certainly they all can't be right... they are too different).

    Because of my job description, my "outside" associations are few... but I always try to mix in.

    Certainly I (we from our group) never hold people at arms length no matter what faith they have or don't have.

    We operate with the Spirit of love realizing that many hold positions simply because of lack of knowledge. Everyone is at different stages of growth so pointing fingers isn't a good thing.

    Sorry for your bad experience.

    Have a great spiritual journey.
     
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  4. idea

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    The laws of nature breed beauties and beasts, health and sickness, life and death.
    Some families work, others never understood some things...
    Community should be chosen, not just something you are born into, not random chance, but chosen, shouldn't it?
    Love others to feel love - there are those few I do love unconditionally. Only a few. Perhaps the few are all that are needed.
     
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    What's your job description, Ken? (If you're comfortable sharing)
     
  6. rational experiences

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    Father said __________added extra lines of radiating fallout plus multiple phi circle thoughts how to break apart atom now causes you to think separated expression is one of.

    Yet a human can be a beauty by self expression and not looks. Why you became possessed by brotherhood.

    Sciences.

    Today you search for what held the atom as an atom. Claiming self created the atom. When self invented by oooooomultiple thoughts the breaking apart multi reactions of an atom.

    So you placated a beast separation sephiroth lines lying to you

    As paths.

    Fake. A human is everything they can be in one person yet one self is multi expressed in their scientific caused DNA separation.

    Science did it

    Brother no longer agreed that his brother was his brother. Language changed DNA changed.

    Science did it

    Father said lines in sky plus ooooo phi atomic removal destroyed your spirituality. Brother scientist.

    Communicating false ideals by two conditions of falsity.

    Vacuum space held the atom to form. To want to invent the atom and pack it as if it never existed is to drop the universe into deeper space pressure to remove the space that held the atom to form.

    You know and identify with this reason you told father.

    To have knowledge of what binds bonds form is to take us there.

    In my life an animal is a beast. Yet animals have loved me better than a scientist human brother.
     
  7. KenS

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    Pastor. Between pre-marital, budget counseling, weddings, funerals, marital counseling, Sunday services, University teaching et al... time goes pretty quick.

    I have mixed in the local college... they as me to speak to their student in the religion class. Also mix in at City Hall, neighbors and wherever/whenver I can.
     
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    Sounds like your job description does hold people at arms length - by design, your time is spent with those of your faith, few other associates. Many groups are like this, friendships are only really allowed to develop with those who are within the same group.

    As "friendly" as those within religious groups are, there is never quality time spent with anyone outside of the church setting. Those I thought were friends were not really friends.... When I was inside the group, I thought the same thing - thought I was a friendly person to everyone (I was not, I did not have close friendships with anyone outside the group). It seems the only interactions with others are "missionary" rather than listening to understand, or listening to learn something that might contradict beliefs.

    It is a strange thing to be so sure of something, believe yourself to have witness of it, spiritual experiences the whole 9 yards, then find it false. Betrayal trauma comes close, but does not quite cover it. I'm not sure if you have ever experienced dissociation? watched a video of things your mind cannot accept or remember, yet there it is, on videotape... to know how your mind can play tricks, and hide information from you in order to preserve being part of a group. A crazy thing.... but now that I see it, I see it everywhere - people entrenched in their group, not listening to other points of views seriously, blissfully isolated until their world crashes down.
     
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    Oh, I didn't realize you were a pastor! In which denomination? Or non-denom?
     
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    I’m still exploring. My religious upbringing was actually rather relaxed, even though my mother is devout and fervent in her beliefs to this day. For us though religion is more about community. If everyone has the same exact beliefs it would be boring (though I’d never be rude enough ask someone about their personal beliefs.)
    So we just sort of chug along and do what makes the most sense to us.
    I’m an unorthodox follower of a rather unorthodox branch and I’m okay with that
     
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    They called them animals, called the people pigs, and dogs.... and in this hierarchy, parables were then told about the "pigs" and "dogs" to make noble that which the privileged had condemned.... the eastersn Taoist stories, they are not really about animals...

    A noiseless patient spider,
    I mark’d where on a little promontory it stood isolated,
    Mark’d how to explore the vacant vast surrounding,
    It launch’d forth filament, filament, filament, out of itself,
    Ever unreeling them, ever tirelessly speeding them.

    And you O my soul where you stand,
    Surrounded, detached, in measureless oceans of space,
    Ceaselessly musing, venturing, throwing, seeking the spheres to connect them,
    Till the bridge you will need be form’d, till the ductile anchor hold,
    Till the gossamer thread you fling catch somewhere, O my soul. - Walt Whitman
     
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    We live as a human family extended family first.

    Only real group.

    Our friends are our family.

    The medical spiritual teaching DNA exited advice quoted the advice taught.

    It is not read correctly today due to human group preaching idealism.

    The only incorrect teacher is the teacher.

    Father was never a teacher.

    Babies and father mother all one United self historic memory is not separated.

    So we can remember by natural history our true being.

    Family teaches us our truth.

    The medical genesis teaching stated why mind lost shared language. How DNA left natural shared family union.

    Brother disturbed by his losses no longer knew what he should teach.

    How can you reason what you lost when what was lost was natural?

    All that could be achieved was an agreed medical human reasoning involving mind entrainment by conditions.

    Totally ignored today as the origin traditions of religious purpose mind and body healing and not preaching.

    Preaching was against science and it was preached to try to instill a safety for life continuance and healing which proved it failed.
     
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    Not really. Think of it this way, you go to work at an office... you have to interact with the people you work with. It isn't that you hold other people at arms length, you just have a certain amount of time and your job description holds you to it.

    In a crowd of 1,000 people, you can develop a close relationship with about 12, a casual relationship with about 70 and the rest are just people you say hello to. Not because you have the 918 at arms length, but you simply can't know everyone.

    When I play racket ball - I develop a new circle but it will also be around the event.

    I suppose that can happen. But within our church there are many people that have close relationships outside of the church setting. But like anything, it takes some effort to cultivate the relationship.

    Yes... this world is full of people that aren't the best of friends. In my faith, even Jesus had a traitor who called himself friend.

    What faith were you in? (If I can ask)

    Sometimes the very thing we don't like we start doing. I didn't like the disassociation that my dad committed with my mom and held it against him and yet, around 25, I found myself heading in the same direction with my wife.... until we both met Jesus.

    So, I find many times that people who have been hurt begin hiding behind a wall (so to speak) and then find themselves not finding true friends for fear of getting hurt. Love is always a risk but has many benefits.
     
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    Humans live with bio animals at the ground state. Nature. Natural. Real life.

    Ooooo on ground state a fake effect. Gas losses. Phi effect science only as Phi does not exist by itself.

    Ask a scientist what is a gas when it is not a gas? Human answer when it burns no longer a true gas and burns you to death.

    Human wisdom.

    As you only know life by the gases cold being present supporting life.

    Feedback wisdom.

    As ground water microbes that live as variations inside bio life nearly just bio water bodies shifted off ground by water split of mass. Just as told. It is trying to contradict burning gases burning life to death as microbes carbon burn.

    Known atmospheric study.
    As evaporation event.

    Sky gets animal plus human images in its cooling gas function. Cloud image.

    Unnaturally affected the human psyche behaviour possession change as they get irradiated chemical brain until ice melts to put back colder water that supports oxygens existence.

    Sciences idea of a human travelling back in time to become an animal life by a string. Human never went anywhere.

    Why science Satanists burnt us to death taught. Known. Is a science mind choice. Agrees to cause it. Sees it happening. scientific appraised as known and cares less in his behaviour possession himself beast like chemistry changed. Mind state.

    Beast behaviour chemistry in life reactive behaviours to destroy and tear apart body.

    Same effect science radiation fallout causes. Thesis human thought. Reactive conditions not any animal beast is radiation attack.

    Satanists lie in science.

    Compared science psyche to possession of beast behaviours. As a rational teaching medical advice. As healers psychic were medically aware first.

    What had been seen witnessed as medical advice.

    Was not occult advice on how to copy it.
     
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    Yes, I work full time, and very much enjoy those I work with. Most are just a professional relationship, although there are a couple I have become friends with.

    From the two different denominations I experienced, only those within the church group had "close" relationships, because the church monopolized so much of everyone's free time. Sunday meeting times, evening classes, morning classes, service (to others within their group, not service to those outside of the group), etc. Members in the group were not given any free time to form friendships with others outside of their group.

    Betrayed by a kiss - yes, the lesson that apostles are not to be trusted, that authority figures are not to be trusted.

    JW offshoot, followed by Mormon - haha - yes, two horrible cults, and I do mean cult.

    I wish adultery was my demon to fight.... I have forgiven whom I need to forgive, just natural laws, just a sickness so many seem to have. I have learned neither the JW's nor the Mormons, nor any other group which claims to have authority is "true". Growing up involves becoming your own authority figure - graduating from school, moving up from employee to employer, not trying to be prideful but as an adult self-reliance is being responsible... so many organizations do not allow members to become self-reliant, always forced to follow the imperfect authority figure it seems. Everyone is imperfect, I get that, just seems like there would be a better "adult" faith out there which embraces learning from all sources.

    sorry for the rant.
     
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    Some say the natural man is an enemy to God, that we are to wear un-natural cloths, dress in Sunday finest, stand in man-made buildings, repeat man-made words, follow some man, and detach ourselves from anything "natural".

    Others say nature is God, that we need to spend time in the woods and spend time listening to the wind and the songs of birds. That one guy, he said prayers in the mountains, sermons on the mount, and on the sea. No buildings. No fancy cloths.... the religious people killed him for it.... overturning tables and all.
     
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    "I believe my church is the only true church on the earth and all others faiths are false."

    ↑ I think no one is being honest? I see Catholics, JW's, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, pretty much all religious faiths as being in this category. Anyone who has "authority" figures, president, elders, pope, prophet, Grand Mufti, Chief Rabbinate, Dalai Lama .... who follows any one particular leader over others I think fall under the #1 category. Debate me if that is wrong.
     
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    I've been an atheist/Agnostic all my life but I have never seen that as a defining feature. It's but a small aspect. I've done youth work with my assigned church. My friends are atheist, Christians of different denominations, a Buddhist and some diverse Pagans. I only ever had problems with people who took their religion too serious.
     
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    I wonder, Just because i am a Muslim, it means i believe in Allah as the only God i should follow.
    This does not mean I have to go around telling non muslims that they are wrong, bad or going to hell.
    Who am I to tell a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or other religions that theyr religion is "fake"?
     
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