Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

[We Never Know]

When you set examples that others follow. Who will be next to follow?

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

"The protesters were seeking military intervention to either restore the far-right Bolsonaro to power or oust the newly inaugurated leftist Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in scenes of chaos and destruction reminiscent of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol."

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

 

[Revoltingest]

The krauts had a wee bit'o insurrection too.
2022 German coup d'état plot - Wikipedia

 

[ImmortalFlame]

When you set examples that others follow. Who will be next to follow?

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

"The protesters were seeking military intervention to either restore the far-right Bolsonaro to power or oust the newly inaugurated leftist Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in scenes of chaos and destruction reminiscent of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol."

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

The krauts had a wee bit'o insurrection too.
2022 German coup d'état plot - Wikipedia

Yet another example of America as the cultural trend setter of the world.

I remember when attempted revolutions were cool.

 

[Stevicus]

When you set examples that others follow. Who will be next to follow?

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

"The protesters were seeking military intervention to either restore the far-right Bolsonaro to power or oust the newly inaugurated leftist Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in scenes of chaos and destruction reminiscent of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol."

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

I don't know if it's a good example to follow.

 

[ChristineM]

When you set examples that others follow. Who will be next to follow?

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

"The protesters were seeking military intervention to either restore the far-right Bolsonaro to power or oust the newly inaugurated leftist Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in scenes of chaos and destruction reminiscent of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol."

Authorities in Brazil investigate pro-Bolsonaro rioters who stormed Congress, government buildings

Who is following who...

List of coups and coup attempts since 2010 - Wikipedia

And some of those were successful

 

[Shaul]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them. Seeing Brazil through the cultural lens of the United States' culture is wrong and borderline racist.

 

[sun rise]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them. Seeing Brazil through the cultural lens of the United States' culture is wrong and borderline racist.

That's too extreme for me. There can be some elements of linkage and some unique to the situation. Eastern Europe in the 1950's and the "Arab Spring" were two such historical occasions and I could find others.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them. Seeing Brazil through the cultural lens of the United States' culture is wrong and borderline racist.

So it's just a coincidence that Bolsonaro has made the exact same claims as Donald Trump did when he lost the election, resulted in a very similar attack by their supporters, and that both have the exact same chief political strategist?

 

[ChristineM]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them. Seeing Brazil through the cultural lens of the United States' culture is wrong and borderline racist.

I understand the recent plot in Germany had a good deal of far right backing and direction from the US

 

[metis]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them.

Bolsonaro and Trump are buddies, and both have praised each other. Matter of fact, the former is in Florida right now.

As for myself, I really do not like fascists, including neo-fascists, and both of the above definitely are the latter.

 

[metis]

I understand the recent plot in Germany had a good deal of far right backing and direction from the US

And CPAC has publicly praised Orban in Hungary, and we well know what he is. And let's see what kind of shenanigans Netanyahu has up his sleeve as that plays out, as remember that he literally came here to the States and campaigned for Trump in 2016.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think each case is its own and that there is no linkage between them. Seeing Brazil through the cultural lens of the United States' culture is wrong and borderline racist.

It also shows their bias and opportunistic eagerness and pathological need to deride anything and everything they don't like via association.

 

[Shaul]

So it's just a coincidence that Bolsonaro has made the exact same claims as Donald Trump did when he lost the election, resulted in a very similar attack by their supporters, and that both have the exact same chief political strategist?

I don't accept your premise that Bolsonaro and Trump have made the same claims nor that the current unrest in Brazil is similar to the protests after the 2020 U.S. election. Again, each case is its own and should be judged separately.

 

[Shaul]

I understand the recent plot in Germany had a good deal of far right backing and direction from the US

I don't agree with that. I think the recent plot in Germany was mostly a German domestic event with little direct influence from outside. And that includes attempts to link it to QAnon by the yellow journalist media and leftists.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't agree with that. I think the recent plot in Germany was mostly a German domestic event with little direct influence from outside. And that includes attempts to link it to QAnon by the yellow journalist media and leftists.

Inside the Far Right QAnon Plot to Overthrow the German Government.

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, investigation shows qanon involvement

 

[Shaul]

Inside the Far Right QAnon Plot to Overthrow the German Government.

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, investigation shows qanon involvement

While I certainly do disagree. All you have done is provided a fine example of the yellow journalists I mentioned. Those that see a "vast right wing conspiracy" are a step away from the tin foil hat brigades.

 

[ChristineM]

While I certainly do disagree. All you have done is provided a fine example of the yellow journalists I mentioned. Those that see a "vast right wing conspiracy" are a step away from the tin foil hat brigades.

 

[metis]

I don't accept [the] premise that Bolsonaro and Trump have made the same claims nor that the current unrest in Brazil is similar to the protests after the 2020 U.S. election.

Guess again, so maybe check several news outlets. Here's one from Yahoo News: Bolsonaro backers ransack Brazil presidential palace, Congress, Supreme Court (yahoo.com)

 

[Stevicus]

Bolsonaro eyes return to Brazil as US stay pressures Biden | AP News

MIAMI (AP) — The Biden administration is under growing pressure from leftists in Latin America as well as U.S. lawmakers to expel Jair Bolsonaro from a post-presidential retreat in Florida following his supporters’ brazen attack on Brazil’s capital over the weekend.

But the far-right ex-president may pre-empt any plans for such a stinging rebuke. On Tuesday, he told a Brazilian media outlet that he would push up his return home, originally scheduled for late January, after being hospitalized with abdominal pains stemming from a 2018 stabbing.

“I came to spend some time away with my family but these weren’t calm days,” Bolsonaro told CNN’s Portuguese-language affiliate in Brazil. “First, there was this sad episode in Brazil and then my hospitalization.”

Bolsonaro arrived in Florida in late December, skipping the Jan. 1 swearing-in of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, who became the first elected Brazilian president not to receive the presidential sash from his predecessor since democracy was restored in the 1980s. Bolsonaro is reportedly staying at the Orlando-area home of Brazilian mixed martial arts fighter Jose Aldo, a fervent supporter.

His visit to the Sunshine state went largely unnoticed in the U.S. until Sunday’s attack by thousands of die-hard supporters who had been camping for weeks outside a military base in Brasilia, refusing to accept Bolsonaro’s narrow defeat in an October runoff. Their invasion of Brazil’s congress and presidential palace left behind shattered glass, smashed computers and slashed artwork.

AOC wants Bolsonaro booted out of the country.

Among those calling for President Joe Biden to give Bolsonaro the boot was Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

“Nearly two years to the day the U.S. Capitol was attacked by fascists, we see fascist movements abroad attempt to do the same in Brazil,” the New York City lawmaker said. “The U.S. must cease granting refuge to Bolsonaro in Florida.”

It should be a no brainer for the White House, experts say.

Biden has never had a close relationship with Bolsonaro, who made common cause with Trump’s top allies on the far right. And any action to expel him is likely to play well in Latin America, where Biden is courting a crop of new leftist leaders who have risen to power in places like Chile and Colombia expressing similar concerns about threats to democracy.

“It’s one thing to make statements about support for democracy,” said John Feeley, a longtime U.S. diplomat in Latin America who resigned as ambassador to Panama in 2018 over differences with the Trump administration.

“It’s another to actually take action in your own home, where you have sovereign control, with someone who is clearly in league with the same folks who brought you Jan. 6,” Feeley said.

But so far the Biden administration has proceeded cautiously.

On Monday, State Department spokesman Ned Price, while sidestepping questions about Bolsonaro’s presence, said anyone entering the U.S. on a so-called A-1 visa reserved for sitting heads of state would have 30 days to either leave the country or adjust their status with the Department of Homeland Security at the conclusion of their term of office.

Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, was similarly circumspect, saying only that any request from Brazil’s government related to Bolsonaro would be evaluated, taking into consideration legal precedent. Typically, the U.S. is reluctant to discuss visa issues out of privacy concerns.

Feeley said the longer the Biden administration waits the weaker its support for democracy will be perceived in the region.

One place Bolsonaro apparently isn’t going is Italy. The former president is the descendant of 19th-century immigrants from northern Italy and Brazilian media had speculated for months that he and his children would seek Italian citizenship out of fear he could be prosecuted in Brazil for corruption or his mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic.

But Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani told state radio on Tuesday that Bolsonaro has never requested citizenship — despite being bestowed honorary citizenship in 2021 by the small town where his great-grandfather was born.

“There are laws that address who gets citizenship,″ Tajani said, emphasizing his far-right-led government’s strong condemnation of the raid on Brazilian government institutions by Bolsonaro supporters. “It is not a political, discretionary choice.”

I wonder if he would face any charges if he goes back to Brazil. Perhaps Brazil could request extradition from the U.S. Or maybe he can go to Italy.

Apparently, he can stay in the U.S. for 30 days after his term expired, and then he would have to change his status.

 

[Shaul]

Guess again, so maybe check several news outlets. Here's one from Yahoo News: Bolsonaro backers ransack Brazil presidential palace, Congress, Supreme Court (yahoo.com)

That doesn't contradict what I wrote. I never said those rioting were not Bolsonaro supporters. But there are as many dissimilarities between the current events in Brazil and what happened on January 6 as there are similarities.