No, but you're saying that that point of marriage is to have children - therefore, do you think that infertile couples also shouldn't be allowed to get married?
Biblical marriage between a man and a woman is the norm because it allows children to be born into a family where male and female influences are balanced and the people who contributed to your birth are actually related to you biologically.
So do you believe adoption results in an "unbalanced" family?
That gives us our sense of self. I understand that certain circumstances make that difficult, but that is the goal of Biblical marriage, generally speaking.
So infertile couples shouldn't be allowed to marry, right?
Regardless of whether children are born or not, the marriage itself is sanctioned by the Creator.
This being the case, what does it matter if homosexuals get married? If it's not sanctioned by God anyway, it makes no difference.
You were talking about the US.
I gave the US as an example of a place where the rights of a civil partnership are different to the rights of a marriage, and it's similar in almost every nation that has both civil partnerships and marriages.
Indeed.....but not everyone thinks gay sex is moral either.
Irrelevant. We're talking about marriage, not sex. There are lots of people who think sex outside of wedlock, recreational sex or sex between people of different races is immoral, but we don't stop such people from marrying.
There is really no such thing as equality if it has to be forced on people.
Nothing is being forced on anyone. Gay marriage literally only affects gay couples who want to marry. Also, you're the one who believes on forcing your beliefs on others.
That means that consensus will never be reached because of opposing views that can never be reconciled.
And I'm sure people who think black people don't deserve equal rights won't come around either, but that doesn't mean we should deny black people rights.
We just have to learn to live with the fact that neither side will ever gain acceptance from the other camp. To agree to disagree is the only solution.
Then do that. Just don't impose your beliefs on others.
I have never found the Bible to be wrong in any way that counts. It has guided me all my life one way or another.
So you're okay with slavery?
I have never found that when humans transgress the laws of God that it ever results in genuine happiness for them long term. Just the opposite in fact.
You're right. Slaves were better off obeying their masters.
(Actually, at this point, let's avert debating the Bible - it'll derail the thread - instead, let's agree that the Bible has served you well as a moral guide, but that this doesn't give you the right to force that moral guide on others.)
Rights? Equality? If everyone has equal rights, then those rights should never come at the expense of the rights of others. Tell me how that can work in real life?
In what way does gay people being allowed to marry come at the expense of anyone else's rights?
Without compromise, it can never be achieved. Do you see a willingness to compromise on either side of this topic? It will never be forced, no matter what the law says. You do understand this?
You're right. Civil rights leaders should have compromised with racist government policies rather than overturning them. Because, as we all know, rights should be dictated by compromising with people who will never change their minds rather than by taking definitive action.
I don't personally have the right to dictate anything to anyone. No one has to answer to me.....but I do believe that they will have to answer to the Creator sooner or later. Lets see if he recognizes those rights.....?
Again, those are YOUR beliefs. Why should your beliefs affect the rights of others? If God wants to judge people, let him judge people. You have no say in the process anyway, so why deny other people the right to marry when you cannot judge them for it?
Till then...live and let live. If they stop throwing gay rights at me....I will stop throwing God's law at them....simple.
How exactly does one "throw gay rights" at people?
