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Australian Satanism and the Temple of THEM

Discussion in 'Left-Hand Path Religions DIR' started by hollow, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. hollow

    hollow One of THEM

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    Hi. I'd like introduce the Temple of Them. We are eight people with various magical backgrounds and formed in 2006. We are theist and worship forces we call THEM. We operate out of Australia and recently formed the Australian Satanic Organization Victoria for real world meetings and activities. We each have our own system of magic and philosophy and have written dozens of books and thousands of pages on the occult. We've been published in various occult magazines by publishers as well as run our own book distributory - but offer hundreds of essays, images and materials freely from our wordpress. We support dozens of bands, artists, authors and lhp groups. We are presently working on a mammoth tome of our last two decades work - encompassing work written prior to taking the name of the Temple - that is a lovecraftian styled grimoire with every one of its 600 pages illustrated, called the Themonomicon. What we do is detailed in our work called Abracadabra and a short movie called Form 101 available from our wordpress. We look forward to fruitful discussion. ISS/h
     
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    ...well, that's the first time I've ever seen an octopus in a vagina before.

    Neat book though.
     
  3. hollow

    hollow One of THEM

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    First time for everything ;) and thank you. If you have not found it already - there is a free sample pdf [67mb] of the Themonomicon available from the section of our wordpress marked Chasm.
     
  4. The Sum of Awe

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    lmao If you read this post before reading the first it is one of the best.
     
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    Ha, my Order is cooler than yours with even lower numbers.

    In all seriousness though, I've looked up some stuff online but it would be cool if you'd just shoot off some major ideas and practices you wouldn't mind sharing.
     
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    hollow One of THEM

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    Maybe, but we have the better name for sure. ;)

    Major Ideas and Practices, ok... We've formed a Satanic Co-operative. Offline. Its taking shape. It will allow satanists across Australia to take turns hosting gatherings and rituals specific to the hosters system of practice rather than being trapped using a single system. The intent being that going through such experiences helps each member to evolve personally, to the next step of their path - whatever that might be. The primary aim is to get together offline and connect offline.

    We practice ISS - (In Supra Solidarity). An experimental 'code' that allows each member full individuality (insofar as its possible) and to retain their own system of magic, belief, practice as a member of THEM. We each come from differing backgrounds of magic, political, religious, age, and whatnot - but all believe in THEM. We speak individually through our own currents, and collectively as the Temple of THEM.

    Our group dynamic is built in such a way that it deflects hubris, power struggle, group-think, and conflict is extremely rare, and we have managed to build a solid reputation with dozens of tendrils (groups/offshoots/associates) without our internal cult descending into schisms or petty firefights over a duration of eight years.

    We ascribe to the No-Hand Path, where there are as few limits as possible on method, practice and execution of our Wyrds, implied.

    We rely on Synchronicity and an ancient system of Wyrd/Word handed down to us by the co-founder of THEM, Solidarity as codified by RA, and are rabidly Anti-Abrahamic. We believe Forms have been used to imprison us - forms such as time, space, ritual, behaviour, enshrinement of the I-go, language, duality, morality and have tried to analyse and undermine these phenomena.

    We are theist and believe in Dark Gods and Forces and have all had experiences with supernatural visitations from Them.

    We have a charter of 30 years of existence, which began in 2006 - during which we aim to give Australia a Satanic History, offer a National System from young Australia that rivals the satanic currents deriving from the UK and USA, build a Satanic Illuminati, Introduce our particular Individualosophy to people on a wide scale, Create the Undividual who will be capable of using forms with equal mastery to those who use them against us, and evolve ourselves to higher consciousness.

    We like/love the ego (which we refer to as the I-go) and believe it is a fundamental piece of equipment in our psyche that serves paramount purpose and can be used constructively - and should not be sought to be dissolved, eradicated, destroyed as many occult groups and currents seem bent on doing.

    THEM shares its reputation and power equally among its members and those of our allies - using whatever resources, contacts, leverage we have to help them rise together as one - not as a hierarchical pyramid. I.e. each member has their own jurisdiction or real estate, some running a forum that specializes in some topic or another, our book distribution, our research facility, our music channel, forum, facebook page, wordpress, etc and each is responsible for their own part, making whatever changes they deem fit.

    Our magical system is composed of extremely varied backgrounds, with members coming from high echelons in worldwide groups inc IOT, TOS, COS, ONA, MLO, OTO, Independants and more - it also includes unique types such as Archetypal Magic and Narrativic Magic or Oromancy (The Magic of Mythos). THEM's magic as a collective is minimalist requiring few tools if any and concentrates solely on intent. One rite for example involves Rain Magic and a connection to the pagan forces of earth by enduring standing in the pouring rain, where the I-go can do nothing but observe, until such time the rain stops. The reasons for this are detailed in our doc on Rain Magick.

    We have our own Archetypes ,such as THRALL, UNAVIR, UNSUNG, OTO ANORHA, THE UNDIVIDUAL developed through years of close practice with archetypal work, including the adoption of phantoms and alter-egos to pursue different works. I alone have had 30 different names, each one associated with a specific project. And we have predicted the rise of other archetypes such as the Ultra-Cynic and the Hollow Krist.

    We have written things or provided /craft/art/music/presence for the MLO, IOT, ONA, TOB and a great many other groups, by name or anonymously - assisting those of us on the LHP we collectively refer to as the Sinisterion - to overcome the Magi/Abrahamism/Obscuranti. A force we believe actively prevents us from breaking free of a prison of particular geometry and used old magic to restrain us. us = humanity.

    We have our own map of consciousness, which will be revealed for the first time in the Themonomicon. This is akin to the Tree of Life, but combines all of THEM's major esoteric ideas and teachings into one diagram (which looks nothing like the tree).

    ISS/h
     
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    Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
     
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    No problem, The Doors of Perception. Can you tell me about your Order?
     
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    Given what you now seem to be propagating is a rather confusing mish-mash of various occult paths and philosophies - albeit a propagation that is apparently still heavily dependent on the esoteric philosophy and mythos of the O9A - perhaps you could explain why anyone should take you seriously and if there is anything remotely original in your approach.

    I mean, ego as 'i-go', and 'no-path', and claiming to have manufactured your own archetypes, just sound rather pretentious and unoriginal. Also, isn't there a contradiction in stating you have 30 years of existence which began in 2006? No one had heard of you before 2003. Or are you claiming to be the same age as or older than Aquino and Anton Long, or claiming to have 'hidden old masters' who have gifted you with secret occult knowledge?
     
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    I never understood occult Orders spilling all their info over the net, but you can certainly find links to my personal writings in the Luciferian DIR.
     
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    Certainly some interesting ideas, thanks for sharing :)
     
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    This is a fair statement. I see where you are coming from.
    We retain many of our occult secrets despite the prolific amount of material we make available - which we make available in aid of influencing certain forms into being and certain changes to take place by seeding these forms, ideas and sparks in others: whom we see as an integral factor in taking down Abrahamism. It will take many types of assault/attack to achieve our aims and we try to arm people with the weapons we use, while learning how to use theirs in exchange.

    I will look for your writing. I understand Jeremy Crow from LRS is speaking on Luciferianism at the 2nd International LHP Conference this July - I found his views on Luciferianism and LRS in general very enlightening; One of THEM will also be speaking incidentally. I will go find your stuff Doors, and have a read. Cheers.
     
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    You're welcome Shyanekh. Thanks for the comment. If you'd like to add anything to them, enquire more about them, please feel free.
     
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    Doors, I found the sticky note overview on Luciferianism you wrote an interesting read - not least for all the parallels it shares with some parts of THEM's Individualosophy. Your notes are in italics:::

    - Lucifer, light-bearer, is a title that can be earned by any person, deity, spiritual being, etc, and in some cases it can be the name of a specific entity. This path is individualistic and not dogmatic. However, even if Lucifer is seen as a specific being, worshiping or dedicating yourself to this God is logically not Luciferian in nature, as the path is one of individuality and personal freedom. Honoring, communicating with, invoking this being, whether Lucifer be a title or a name, is up to the individual practitioner.

    We believe a similar resonance with THEM applies as to that of the individual who becomes a light-bearing avatar; with some variation naturally. In a nutshell, we hold that Nature, whom we know as the Phyrm, and THEM, throws up again and again individuals who each carry her messages - and that she throws them up in as many varied forms as she can, each an expressor of these messages in every imaginable form; but each intended by her to charge that individual with the development of forms that challenge existing ones in a bid to evolve that individual beyond its present capacities, and to infect others with that message. For us, Satan is somewhat synonymous with Lucifer as they are seen both as archetypes that are representative of something much Older than either - that both of these were distortions cast into formation filtered through Magian designs and constructs; that is to say that what they both represent stems from the deeper older forces of THEM. For more depth on this, there is our essay Theory of the Beast and it is best accompanied by the one called Mind War.

    Suffice to say that we believe there is a latent connection in people to these forces that they may activate, and which is highly individualistic - a very lonely path indeed.

    - The quest for knowledge is essential to the path. All knowledge that can be gained is good, but the rejection of false knowledge and acceptance of factual knowledge also is important. To believe that the earth is flat despite the objective fact it is not is logically not to commit to knowledge / light-bearing. It should be noted that knowledge includes knowledge of self.

    This is extremely important to THEM. Though I do not know if Luciferianism abides by the following also: we also try to understand What knowledge is, why it is knowledge, and how knowledge affects us or can be used to affect others - language, form, symbolism, narrative, mythos etc.

    - Luciferian is more basic than atheistic, theistic, gnostic, deistic, polytheistic, etc etc etc. Anyone can be a Luciferian if they wish to be, and the existence of God is neither an objectively true or false fact, so there is no logical contradiction in believing either way.

    We have a similar system. Each of THEM has their own autonomous belief system - but we speak collectively through the voice of a unified Temple as a collective. There is no demand on any member to agree with what is said as a collective. We each believe in THEM; which has many meanings, but includes manifest chthonic forces. That is to say we are driven not by intellect but by spirit - by the terrifying presentation of THEM to each of us that we cannot deny and to which we owe our allegiance to earth. See our essay The Black Keys of Satan.

    - Truth over comfort is obviously important, as the concept of lucifer is light-bearer. If a fact contradicts your beliefs, to amend your beliefs is logically the Luciferian thing to do whereas accepting a false believe is not to commit to truth.

    We do not believe in ultimate philosophical truths, just a changing landscape of forms - treated as valid for a moment as necessary but ultimately illusory. It is too complex to enter into here, but we use anything to achieve everything. What is true and false swap places or exist in unity and contradiction - superimposition, pending the need of the sorcerer. That means if we need to believe in God for a while, we will. I hasten to add that we also recognize that the phyrm has its own laws and they have effects on the human being that cannot generally be circumvented regardless of what we believe. [There are always anomalies however.]

    - The Luciferian path is primarily Left-Hand Path, and is open to all magic(k), occultism, etc etc etc. It is an individualistic path, and there is nothing a Luciferian must do or is not allowed to do. The "criteria" for the title is simply logical.

    We share this fundamental in common. We value the inhuman - we dont care what forms we have to use, how, to achieve our aims. Humans, and All their forms are food for THEM.

    - Nobody has more of a "right" to the title than any others, it is simply based on reason.

    There are One's of THEM across time and space - the forms we use are transient, they are not under our control, anyone can call themselves One of THEM - however, when we use it, we refer to a certain compulsion to "kill the machine" that nature instills in some more than others: as we relate in Directive A-66

    - The ability to use mythology and symbolism effectively and learn from it while still being able to recognize it is not actually true is an important aspect of the Luciferian path.

    Agreed. We go somewhat further and try to shrug off even the LHP restrictions to end up NHP - meaning we will use the 'enemies' forms, even forms we rally against, if we need to. We do not value human forms but as means to and end. See, Gods are Not Dead (Myths *******)

    - The Luciferian does not need to wear their label on their sleeve, nor seek approval. It is a personal commitment and nobody needs to know. (This is more in life than the forum. )

    We have been working toward THEM from the shadows for a long time.

    - While a Luciferian does not necessarily need to be a teacher and share their knowledge, part the the logical criteria is they must be a student and take in knowledge.

    You need to know the rules to break them.

    - For a Luciferian, the quest for knowledge has to come before the ego's desire to be right. In order to learn, one must be willing to be wrong and lose arguments.

    Lol - there is seldom a choice, its inevitable that one get their *** handed back to them in life, by force or by word; as a result THEM embody great humility and supreme arrogance in one.

    - The burden of Knowledge of Self is on the Luciferian, as nobody else can every truly understand who you are. Personal experiences, such as mystical experiences, may validate belief for any individual person, but a Luciferian realizes that personal experience is not objectively valid and is not a usable premise in the argument for any objective truth.

    We are suspicious of Objectivity. See, Insynsian: The Subjectivity of Objectivity.

    - Everyone wishes to think they are on the quest for factual knowledge, even if they knowingly reject accepted fact to do so. This perception is irrelevant. Factual knowledge is not dependent on how one feels, only what is actually true.

    Well said. We summed it up similarly in our essay Accumulum Ad Infinitum.

    - Fideism is a direct contradiction of the Luciferian path.

    - The Luciferian accepts that objective truths exist and that there is reality external of the mind, even though we perceive that reality and those truths subjectively.

    Agreed. Though our system of what is objective is complex: it is simple enough to say I know I cannot walk through a wall or survive a speeding train no matter how I feel/think. ;)

    - In summary, many parallels, and I have seen as much in other systems that seem to distil virtually identical kernals of perennial wisdom over time that allows a huge variation of different systems and currents outward manifestation to be overlapped internally with surprising symmetry.

    ISS/h
     
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    @Hollow: It is perhaps interesting that you didn't respond to my questions in an earlier reply although you did respond to other replies here. You didn't respond to questions such as: (i) is there anything original in your approach? (ii) isn't there a contradiction in stating you have 30 years of existence which began in 2006?

    Also, you - an a anonymous person posting stuff anonymously on the internet - say in one of your posts that you "have managed to build a solid reputation with dozens of tendrils (groups/offshoots/associates)", but where are the mainstream media sources - the evidence - for their, and your, existence?

    This is interesting. Have you somehow discovered a magickal formulae that prevents egoists - as in your saying "we like/love the ego" - from actually being egoistical and instead being very lovey-dovey with others in a born-again Christian or hippyish or liberal or 'white light' way?

    In which case, why are you posting on a LHP forum and talking about 'dark' gods?

    Or is it that there a fundamental contradiction in what you say - i.e. (i) "we like/love the ego" together with (ii) our "group dynamic is built in such a way that it deflects hubris, power struggle, group-think, and conflict is extremely rare" - and a contradiction because not only do egoists (or individualists if you prefer) dislike groups and especially a "group dynamic", but also because most egoists by their very nature love power struggles and conflict.

    So, while what you write might all sound OK "on paper" it raises many questions when subject to critical, dispassionate, scrutiny. Perhaps you could explain the apparent contradictions?
     
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    Satan ?? where did u get this word from?
     
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    Satan !! where did u get this word from?
     
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    I'm actually unassociated from Crow, Ford, etc. I haven't even read Crow, actually. Ford is just a man child caught up on LaVeyan type LHP in my opinion. You won't find my orders core mysticism online, at least not yet - though it's really just a different take on things like Thelema and the Tree of Life system.

    As for the Luciferian overview, that was actually created by the whole DIR. It's only under my name because I spear headed the effort. My own writings here can be found here:

    http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...iferianism-explained-subjective-articles.html

    It's worth noting that the Order of the Dawning Sun doesn't keep secrets to create an air of mystery of anything, it's simply based around symbolism and rituals which are personal. When you spill your system and symbolism all over the net we believe it loses potency. I can tell you it's very minimalistic, centered around a new interpretation of the Tree of Life, the ascention of it, meaning behind it, and archetypes represented in it.
     
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    Hollow, the major difference I'm seeing between us is in truth and objectivity. Personally I agree that the study of knowledge itself is important, but as I pointed out that overview was made with agreements and compromises for the purposes of this forum. However, for myself and the ODS one fundamental faith held is objective knowledge and truth does exist. Certainly it's slim but there is an idea of empirical truth and valid / sound logic. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you said on those subjects, but besides that I think we'd get along just fine!
     
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    Sounds interesting, i hope we hear from you time after time. :) how do you understand your gods are dark gods?
    Welcome,btw :)
     
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