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Atheists what should God do to make you believe in ?
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Why this is such a difficult problem for God ?
Is it? Then not a god, end of story.
chinu
chinu
Why end of story. Why are you unable to tell some solution ?
Pretty much the same sort of things that it takes to convince me that anything exists.
So, first, a clear definition of the properties that are claimed for 'God'.
Then, a phenomenon predicted from the assumption of existence that is different than what is predicted from the default of non-existence. This should be a phenomenon that is sufficient to prove essential parts of the definition.
Then an actual observation of that phenomenon.
I have yet to see a clear definition or a description of a phenomenon that doesn't have an easier explanation without resorting to supernatural beings.
Definitely! Distill that beer a bit!
chinu
chinu
Have you ever saw God calming any definition for himself ? Why are you putting unnecessarily blames ?
Unveiled Artist
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God's problem? You speak of god as if it exists and then blaming it.
That's the same logic as a christian saying that god blesses people and we give thanks to him for creating the world.
Christians have a concept of god, so what they say makes sense based on their criteria of truth. So, even though I don't believe in their god, I understand where they come from.
However, I don't for many atheists because they express similar sentiment (their disdain for god) but have no criteria and definition to which their sentiment relates to. It becomes an empty comment.
It's very hard asking you guys to clarify it, though.
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It is not up to me to provide a solution it is up to the god, if said god is unable to provide a solution to prove there existence then they are not worthy of godhood and as i say, that is not my problem.
I did not provide the op, i provided opinion on the op, a hypothetical scenario . If you dont like that then thats just tough.
If God has no definition, how can it ever coherently be said to exist?
That is the reason I posted what I did. I honestly don't know the answer to this question. Therefore if a God exists, I have to leave it in their hands.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
God should end the mystery and quit playing belief with faith games. Make it a known by all situation already.
Omni God shows incredible restraint in revealing God's own presence and power.
Anything less than obvious to all is playing immoral games with people's lives.
Omni God shows incredible restraint in revealing God's own presence and power.
Anything less than obvious to all is playing immoral games with people's lives.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I was just conversating with you. I'm not sure why you get angry or frustrated so quickly, but I honestly wanted to know (since I don't know what you, atheist, and christians speak of), when you talk about what god does/says/blame/blessings, what in the world are you guys referring to.
RF ideally invites conversations and some are a bit more sensitive than others. So, if you don't know, that's all you needed to say. Nothing more complicated than that.
Oh here we go again, how predictable. I am not angry or frustrated. I gave my answer and you repeatedly dissed it because it doesn't fit your idea. For the last time, i am not a god so how should i know how mythical beast would reveal themselves as non mythical? Sorry if that does not jel with you but thats life...
Unveiled Artist
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Christine. I'm not a question/answer person-take it as is, person. I like to discuss things; it's just my nature. If I'm curious, I'd ask more about it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "I'm not a god... and mythical beast... and all of that."
I have no issues with you Christine. I was just curious with atheists here on this OP about what they are saying about the god they don't believe in, "who" are they blaming, and all of that.
I'm not quite sure why, but most atheists I speak with on RF are very sensitive around the god-topic. I'd say more than christians, to put it honestly. Why is that, I don't know.
Heyo
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I seriously doubt there is a god that makes bourbon and if there is, I wouldn't worship it. A malt god on the other hand ...Not if a bourbon god made it.
No blame. Just a precondition to know what I am talking about.
If someone claims a neutrino exists, I want to know what they mean by the term 'neutrino'. Then I want to see a specific phenomenon that can be best described by a neutrino.
I have yet to see any being claim to be God. I have seen many people claim that they know a God exists. But I have yet to see a definition of the concept that is coherent and has actual evidence to back it up.
Anything he wants. And if he doesn't bother, can we safely assume that he's not interested in our belief? (Either that or, of course, isn't there to begin with?)
Heyo
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Why do you ask atheists? You should start with the people you almost agree with. Ask the people of the church next street what it would take them to believe in the same god as you. That would be a realistic question. And when you have convinced all the believers to believe in the same god, then come to the atheists and agnostics.
Whiskey/whisky. I prefer either bourbon or a good peaty island scotch.