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Featured Atheists, Humanists - a verse for you!!

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by dingdao, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. qaz

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    easy target. christian metaphysics was laughable even for late-hellenistic athenians, although they already got used to the wretchedness of schools such as cynicism or "middle-platonism", and had become themselves no more than a pale shadow of what their fathers were.
    christianity, as jesus says, is a belief for the "poor in spirit", that is the opposite of the ancient greek psychological type.
     
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  2. BilliardsBall

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    I think that's a verse/passage for Christians. We know this will occur but atheists wouldn't deign to respond... it's beneath them, don't you know, to consider that their secret thoughts will encounter judgment.
     
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  3. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    I think I know what you mean. But it seems like some people operate on auto-pilot, seek comfort, and react to each situation based on instinct.

    Reacting on instinct is sincere, but lacks awareness ( consciousness ) ?
     
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  4. A Vestigial Mote

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    God doesn't need to do me any favors. If He doesn't like the fact that I never believed in Him, He can stuff it. If He ends up liking what I did throughout my life, why should I care? Seriously, why? He was never there during all the time I did it. It would be like your father leaving you while you were a baby, only to show up just before you were about to die and say "I'm proud of you, son." At that moment, why on Earth would you give a crap? If He exists, God holds no promise of happiness nor joy to those with a critical mind... only questions and confusion.
     
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  5. shunyadragon

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    . . . and the greatest sin lukewarm and indifferent.
     
  6. leov

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    Sin = ignorance.
     
  7. InChrist

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    The Bible actually describes sin as lawlessness...

    Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1John 3:4
     
  8. shunyadragon

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    Too simplistic.
     
  9. leov

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    Lawlessness is manifestation of ignorance. From Strong's:
    "ἁμαρτία, (ας, ἡ (from 2 aorist ἁμαρτεῖν, as ἀποτυχία from ἀποτύχειν), a failing to hit the mark (see ἁμαρτάνω. In Greek writings (from Aeschylus and Thucydides down). 1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense, and"
    an error of the understanding - ignorance of not knowing how to do it right.
     
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  10. QuestioningMind

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    Why would you have any reason to believe that an atheist would be swayed by a quote from a book of mythologies?
     
  11. leov

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    Not at all, Biblical term that means not just transgression but goes much deeper .
    E.g. Jesus takes your sins away - takes your ignorance , opens your eyes.
     
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    Really? So my ignorance concerning exactly how nuclear fission works is somehow a sin on my part? And your ignorance concerning how many brothers and sisters I have is a sin on your part?

    Okay... but that's a VERY bizarre definition of sin.
     
  13. leov

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    Look up Greek.
    "an error of the understanding "ἁμαρτία, (ας, ἡ (from 2 aorist ἁμαρτεῖν, as ἀποτυχία from ἀποτύχειν), a failing to hit the mark (see ἁμαρτάνω. In Greek writings (from Aeschylus and Thucydides down). 1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense, and


    It is in the root ignorance of real True God. Ignorance is fixable by obtaining of knowledge.
     
  14. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    No, no, no, they are judged by pius judges

    Consider matthew 7:1
     
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    I understand that ignorance is a error or lack of understanding. What I'm asking you is how does your lack of knowledge concerning how many siblings I have constitute a 'sin'?
     
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    Your post was very shallow, and did not go deeper, and ignorance in and of itself is not a sin.
     
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  17. InChrist

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    I think according to scriptures sin concerns the breaking and/or falling short of God's standards with regard to moral issues, right or wrong behavior, not the amount of knowledge or information one has or lacks on various other subjects.
     
  18. InChrist

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    Yet, what if God is there sustaining your every breath and heartbeat?
     
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    That's always been my understanding. Yet leov claimed that sin = ignorance
     
  20. leov

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