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Atheists' bizarre way asking for "proof of God"

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by stvdv, Jun 8, 2021.

  1. stvdv

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    Atheists' bizarre way asking for "proof of God"

    Suppose it has been many years since you made love, and you are really yearning for love, and suddenly out of the blue, a gorgeous person walks up to you, you are smitten and the person even tells you "If you make love to me, you will feel like you are in Heaven; your best experience ever, all that you were ever searching for, your life's goal fulfilled"

    This is how the RF Atheist usually replies

    NO. I don't believe you:
    1) First you must prove it to me
    2) I want it written in black and white
    3) It must be peer reviewed, by at least 10 other scientists
    4) And it must be a triple blind scientific study

    IF you bring me the above THEN I might take you up on your offer
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    First thing, people do not come out of the blue. And second thing, this is 'soliciting', I suppose in many countries this is a criminal act.
     
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  3. ChristineM

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    If thats how you see your god and humanity images, if you need to use straw men to dis what you don't understand then i truly feel for you.
     
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    Skepticism as a bias is indeed irrational. But just as you cannot convince a theist that his blind belief is not faith, you cannot convince an atheist that his skepticism is not just a blind bias.
     
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    I have recently heard from a Nigerian prince who offered me loads of money if I help him to get the money out of the country. Unfortunately I don't have the means to help him (just a little advancement so he can pay some fees and bribes).
    But you seem to be just the person to be willing to help. Shall I forward you his mail?
     
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  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    PureX, I do not mind people having various beliefs. But if some one is trying to prove that his/her is better, then providing proof / evidence is necessary. Context: Heading of the topic, although stvdv is a dear friend (of different belief). :)
     
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    Demanding proof for that which cannot be proven is illogical, and disingenuous. And yet the atheist does this constantly, and then imagines that they are being the logical and more honest one. It is just a blind bias, masquerading as logic. The same as when one presents their unfounded god-belief as fact. Neither is being logical, and neither is being honest. Both are lost in their own biased delusion of truth.
     
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  8. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I think - How much? - is a possible first question, given that £10,000 is probably a no-no but £10 (or nada) a yes-yes if attractive enough and a guarantee of money back if not satisfied was given. And we aren't all computer programmers, as your last line seems to indicate (although I was). :oops:

    But mostly, I think I would be waiting an eternity just as much for this scenario as expecting a proof of God to arrive. :(

    Whilst for many they will probably have more evidence than most, and a better understanding and/or even ability to process such, mostly it is about how we interpret such evidence as exists or we see in our lives and/or even search out. Why, other than personal preference, would any claim to know the answer to the atheist/theist question when it simply isn't obvious? Well not to some of course even if to others. :oops:
     
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  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Believing and believing strongly for what has never been proved also is illogical., and disingenuous. :)
    That is what atheists have done. No proof in the last 2,500 years, we cannot always go by what people said or was written in some old repeatedly translated and edited book (not just Bible, Mahabharata as well). Tried and found wanting, rejected. No harm observed. You are even happier than before. You do not live under the shadow of eternal sin, and are not a beggar before some fictitious entity..
     
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    I've never seen an atheist walk up to a theist and ask them for proof of God without first having God shoved in their face.

    But when that does happen, I don't see the way they ask at all bizarre. I have this approach with practically everything in life. I want to know why things are and how they work.
     
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    If anyone makes a claim, atheist and theist alike, and they expect me to accept that claim as truth, they need to come to me with evidence. There is nothing illogical or disingenuous about that.
     
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    So are scientific hypotheses illogical and disingenuous?
     
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    I notice the argument starts as a person saying there is a guy that can make love to you better. The atheist says, I don't see a guy. Show me. I can't go to bed with an idea there is one or because you told me. I do better doing it on my own.

    If the person takes into account there could be a person, that doesn't mean he or she would show up.

    Claims only go but so far. Even if you trust that person is telling the truth, if the other isn't there, how can you make love?

    If the guy or girl shows up, there must be trust. If the girl has too many problems or treats people based on who she wants to go to bed with, that would turn me off in a second.

    It's more than just evidence. That an love isn't s motivator for some people.

    Plus, you can say a girl or guy will love you better that's fine. Believers can't define whether it's a guy or not. Unless it was Jesus who asked an advance. Bahullah?
     
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    Of course asking for proof of that which cannot be proven is impossible. That's the whole point. Someone is asserting that there is something out there, monumentally important whose impact in their life and their perception of the universe is enormous yet cannot even demonstrate that such monumentally important thing is more than a figment of the imagination and deserves respect and consideration anyway. When an atheists asks for proofs of something that cannot be proven he doesn't expect you to do the impossible. He expects you to recognize it and realize that you have placed a monumental importance on something that's about as tangible, logical and real in the casual sense of the term as any fairy tale.
     
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    If one can't describe God by logic, it makes no sense for believers to bring it up as if it is.

    For example, using cosmological argument tries to make god exist in a literal way as if the argument can prove god. If it's unknown, why try to prove it. Historical records try to find miracles and jesus' tomb. You have believers saying they experienced something that affected them in real life. Unless it's invisible or an idea, one should be able to have some idea of what to tell a person when having the experience. You can't blame the atheist when the theist is genuinely ignorant to What he believes.

    Atheist claims are based on theist claims. They're not isolated. Don't present god as something that can interact with the physical world, a lot of atheist wouldn't care.

    Atheists aren't always the victim. Why do believers keep putting them on the spot but can't explain the nature of the belief they defend?

    I mean asking for evidence for something invisible is just as illogical as saying something invisible exist. Atheist wouldn't ask the question if, as they say, theist didn't make the claim.
     
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    For what purpose? Who benefits from this? The person that needed that something of monumental importance in life to have joy or bliss? Or the the atheist that walks away satisfied feeling they were right they just set someone straight?
     
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    They are in the .tmp dir.They may be transferred to a regular directory or deleted.

    Excellent answers, @epronovost. And your's too, @Unveiled Artist, though you are not an atheist. You said it better than anyone else.
     
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    How does this address my question?
     
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    What it boils down to, I think, is proselytizing in both directions.

    People like to treat their worldview like a favorite toy. That toy brings them happiness and joy, so since it does for them, they assume it will for everyone else. So they try to convince others that their life will be happier and more joyful if they had the same toy. They don't stop to think that people have their own toys that make them just as happy and joyful.
     
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  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    All depends on what we know about the subject at the moment. Most things, more so at the frontiers of knowledge, are still being investigated. New data can make a hypothesis dormant or redundant. 'Steady-State' or 'Multiverse' are ideas in that category.
     
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