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Atheist: Vegetarian Atheists

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by religion99, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. religion99

    religion99 New Member

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    I believe Jainism is very similar to Veg Atheists.
    1. Both have arrived at the conclusion that there is no God who created
    The World.
    2. Both practise REAL compassion to all the living beings , including
    Animals.

    Just wondering if Veggy Atheists have ever considered Jainism
    or discarded it due to
    1 lack of information.
    2. too small to consider.
    3. Too hard to follow.
    4. Analysed and discarded due to a conflict in belief.

    In indian system of religion classification , Jainism is classified
    As Atheist System.
     
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  2. Vinayaka

    Vinayaka devotee

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    That could be, but the vegetarian atheists certainly wouldn't recognise it, as most atheists (at least in my experience) don't care enough about religion to really study it out. My son is a vegetarian atheist and he's never heard of Jainism.
     
  3. lunakilo

    lunakilo Well-Known Member

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    My guess is that atheists who are vegetarian did not become vegetarian because they wanted to find a religion/philosophy that incorporates being a vegetarian.
    So they are probably not any more (or any less) interested in Jainism that in any other religion.
     
  4. Splarnst

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    No, not necessarily. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't you're always compassionate to animals. Vegetarians can wear leather or beat their dogs.

    It's atheist, but it's not naturalist. There are still supernatural souls, reincarnation, karma, etc. Unless I see some evidence of such things, then I'm not interested in Jainism.
     
  5. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    "both arrived at the conclusion that there is no God?"

    When did atheists arrive at that conclusion?
    Strong atheists maybe, but not your basic, weak atheists.
     
  6. religion99

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    Hi Splarnst,

    I looked at your blog. I am impressed. Clearly , you have done a lot of investigation in all kind of things in life and come to your current conclusion.

    Can you define precisely two words you mentioned in you reply so that I understand where you come from:

    1. Supernatural
    2. Evidence

    Looking forward to the reply.

    Thanks
     
  7. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    They can, but I doubt many, if any do.
     
  8. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Yes, but there are no souls or reincarnation, as Splarnst said.

    It's far too spiritual, dharmic, moral-focused, and earth-centre for me. Also, I think many would consider Jainism atheistic, being that atheism is a theological view that may pertain to a religion, and being that Jainism doesn't believe in Gods, it is thereby atheistic.

    An atheist doesn't have to believe in evolution, can believe in an afterlife, can believe in unicorns, can even believe the Sun has a big ol' smiley face and talks to us. Just can't believe in God, if they do they are no longer an atheist.
     
  9. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Actually, a lot of famous atheists are vegetarians or at least have symphony to the animal rights idea, so just take a man like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin and compare them to a 'hardcore' Jain
     
  10. Splarnst

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    @Religion 99

    The best definition of supernatural that I have seen is “mental things which cannot be reduced to nonmental things,” but it requires some explanation.

    I don't have a strict definition of evidence. Really, it's anything that makes a proposition more likely to be true. I prefer evidence accessible to everyone (i.e., not subjective experience [mysticism] or perception [aesthetics]) because I think it's stronger, but I'll take what I can get.
     
  11. ScottySatan

    ScottySatan Scottian

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    Darwin founded an exotic animal-eating club.
     
  12. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Superstylin' Staff Member Premium Member

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    When he was in the Galapagos, he didn't only notice that species' appearance and and physiology varied slightly from island to island along the archipelago; he made journal entries remarking that their flavour varied from island to island as well. :D
     
  13. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Wrong actually:

    There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties.… The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery.
    —Charles Darwin

    The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man.
    —Charles Darwin


    From the sound of it, he didn't find or even wish to become a member of an "exotic animal-eating club"
     
  14. Drolefille

    Drolefille PolyPanGeekGirl

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    You may not think so, but:
    10 Fun Facts About Charles Darwin
    QI Talk Forum | View topic - Darwin's Dinners
    The life and letters of Charles Darwin: including an autobiographical chapter - Charles Darwin, Sir Francis Darwin - Google Books

    Charles Darwin's education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  15. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    What the heck is a "higher" animal, anyway?
     
  16. Splarnst

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    Hitler was a vegetarian. He did many orders of magnitude worse than beat a dog, though I'm not sure he ever actually beat his dogs. Any I'm sure there are plenty of vegetarians who wear leather.
     
  17. ScottySatan

    ScottySatan Scottian

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    Urban legend.
     
  18. Splarnst

    Splarnst New Member

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    :danana:
     
  19. Splarnst

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    Religion99 is using the definition I presented earlier in this thread.
     
  20. religion99

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    1. Knowledge exists.
    2. Knowledge cannot be reduced to nonmental things.

    1. And 2. implies that:
    3. Knowledge is supernatural.
    Which implies that Supernatural exists.
     
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