Irrelevant. It's still using the claims of the person to show that his claims are true. It's like when Christians cite Bible verses to prove the Bible is true, or when comic book fans cite a Batman comic to show that Batman is real.
No, absolutely not. There is no claim in that quote and I was not using the quote to show that Baha'u'llah's claims are true.
Another unsupported claim. You are just declaring yourself to be correct.
It is not unsupported claim since it was clearly supported in the book entitled
Thief in the Night by William Sears.
It is not about ME being correct, it is about the information contained in that book being correct.
In post
1206, you said:
You directly stated that you KNOW, and that suggests that you believe that what you know is a fact. After all, if you did not think it was factual, how could you claim to KNOW it? Additionally, your own provided definition for "know" includes, "to be aware of the truth or factuality of."
So, yeah, it sure seems to me that you are viewing it as a fact.
I directly stated that I KNOW, but that does not mean that I believe that what I know is factual. However, it does mean that I believe that what I know is true. Some truths are not provable and as such they cannot be considered facts. "to be aware of the truth
or factuality of." I am aware of the truth of my beliefs, but I cannot say they are facts because I cannot
prove that my beliefs are true (to anyone except myself). My beliefs are a fact to me, but not a fact to everyone they have not been proven to everyone.
fact
something that is
known to have
happened or to
exist,
especially something for which
proof exists, or about which there is
information:
fact
The fact that it gave you a reason to believe it IS how it gave you the bias towards believing.
That is patently absurd. Of course I needed a reason to believe but that has nothing to do with having a bias.
Unsupported claim. You have precisely ZERO actual evidence to show that there is any kind of life after death. You just have your opinion.
I have my beliefs and they are supported by evidence. The evidence that there is an afterlife is what Baha'u'llah wrote about the afterlife. Nobody can ever know the nature of the afterlife and Baha'u'llah explained why it was not revealed to us.
“Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: “Verily, we are God’s, and to Him shall we return.” The mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return have not been divulged, and still remain unread. By the righteousness of God! Were they to be revealed, they would evoke such fear and sorrow that some would perish, while others would be so filled with gladness as to wish for death, and beseech, with unceasing longing, the one true God—exalted be His glory—to hasten their end.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 345
“Death proffereth unto every confident believer the cup that is life indeed. It bestoweth joy, and is the bearer of gladness. It conferreth the gift of everlasting life.
As to those that have tasted of the fruit of man’s earthly existence, which is the recognition of the one 346 true God, exalted be His glory, their life hereafter is such as We are unable to describe. The knowledge thereof is with God, alone, the Lord of all worlds.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 345-346
Here we go, once again you're trying to say that you aren't claiming, you're just saying. I don't buy that loophole.
I do not care what you buy. I do not claim things, I say things, because I am not trying to prove anything to anyone.
Some of the things you've said regarding science...
So it sounds like you just accept what science says until it becomes inconvenient for you, then you toss it away. Never seen believers do that before!
I never said that Baha'is accept the scientific theories regarding how the universe came into existence.
It has nothing to do with inconvenience. It has to do with believing that whatever Baha'u'llah wrote is true since I believe He was infallible. There is no way that science can disprove what Baha'u'llah wrote, that creation has always existed. How do you think that science could ever prove that? And of course we have to define what we mean by creation as it can refer to more than the universe that is in existence today.
You've never heard of the Big Bang, I take it?
Of course I have heard of it, but please not that it is a theory, not a proven fact.
The Big Bang
theory is the prevailing cosmological model explaining the existence of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.
Wikipedia
You have claims, not evidence. By your logic, I've provided evidence that I can turn into an eagle.
I make no claims, I only present evidence for the claims of Baha'u'llah.
Does the
Public Universal Friend fit into this?
Are you asking if he was a true Prophet of God? No, I don't believe that.
I think everyone here knows what you mean by "fruit" in this context. It's rather condescending for you to provide definitions.
condescension
There is nothing condescending about it, and besides, it is in my Word document so it was an easy copy/paste and there was no reason for me to omit it just because you have false pride.
Then it's unsupportable claims, not evidence. Like I said, by this logic, I've provided evidence that I can turn into an eagle.
It is evidence by the definitions of evidence. All evidence is not testable just because you want it to be testable and everyone knows that except you and some of your atheist sidekicks, but you only make yourselves look foolish when you claim that all evidence is testable. That is absolutely false.
15 Types of Evidence and How to Use Them
Again with the prophecies. Why do you keep coming back to it when I have made it clear that I don't consider it valid?
You did not even read that. It was not referring to any Bible prophecies that He fulfilled.
Again....
"In the chapters that follow, we shall endeavor to show whether Bahá’u’lláh’s claim to Prophethood stands or falls by application of these tests: whether the things that He had spoken have followed and come to pass, and whether His fruits have been good or evil; in other words, whether His prophecies are being fulfilled and His ordinances established, and whether His lifework has contributed to the education and upliftment of humanity and the betterment of morals, or the contrary.”
Proofs of Prophethood, Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, pp. 8-9
Not my problem if you can't keep up.
It is not my problem either because I am under no obligation to even respond at all, let alone rummaging through old posts. I am here for the entertainment more than anything else, and entertainment is optional.
So what? His writings and views means nothing until you can show that he is the return of the spirit of Christ or whatever you say he was, and you've been unable to come anywhere close to doing that without relying on his writings and views. That's circular logic at its most basic.
When are you atheists going to figure out that it is not my job to SHOW you anything? Rather, it is your job to do your own research if you want to know the truth about Baha'u'llah. This is rather pathetic to say the least and it shows that you really don't care about knowing the truth. This is just a game to prove you are right and I am wrong.
This is not my first rodeo, I have been posting to atheists day and night on several forums for nine years so I know the drill. They claim I have the burden of proof just because I believe something is true, but nothing could be more illogical. I only have the burden of proof if I am trying to prove something to you and I am under no obligation to try to prove anything to you because Baha'u'llah did not give me that job to do. My only job is to share the message of Baha'u'llah if it comes up in conversation and/or if people ask me questions. I am under no obligation to prove anything to anyone.
As I said, the very fact that you even brought it up is what makes the suggestion.
You cannot read my mind so I suggest you stop trying. I stated my position so I expect to be believed although I realize that is overly optimistic that you would be able to believe what I say instead of speaking for me as if you know my thoughts and intentions.
