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Atheist Life is Worthless

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by linwood, Oct 19, 2004.

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  1. Sunstone

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    I'm laughing right along with you, Pah. :biglaugh:
     
  2. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    Chuck -

    I have a different measurement of what constitutes good.
     
  3. Faust

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    Chuck,

    I believe the original intent of this thread was a matter of the value of a life lived without the promise of an "afterlife".
    I can only reply that I value my life greatly. This life that I am experiencing right now.
    I believe that I can surmise that you however do not value my life if I do not conform to your values. This does not in any way take away from my personal experience.
    From your perspective, you have appointed yourself as the arbiter of value concerning "my" existence based on your value system. I find this a little arrogant. And as long as I find fulfillment, and those whom I personally touch in this world are enriched by my existence, I don't think your judgemental attitude towards anyone else is of any value or importance to anyone other than yourself. I might even add"how do you justify" judging anyone based on your narrow interpretation of value, when it is soley based on your personal feelings. Yes I know that you will say that you are innocent and that it is God who will do the judging thereby assuming a victim status, I'm only the messenger, but it is "your" judgement based on your beliefs and you do not have the right to devalue my, or anyone elses life based on "your" personal practices or beliefs.
     
  4. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Let me be the first to throw an Amen in there to you, Faust. TVOR
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Very good. In fact - excellent!
     
  6. chuck010342

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    yeah most of them, they are called christians

    Oh so the holocoust was just a bunch of people going along with what the leader said and there was no genocide. You have got to be kidding me, if they didn't really believe it then why would it of happened.

    then society has some problems too.

    what do you think Chrisitans are trying to do?
     
  7. chuck010342

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    your right

    well thats a problem

    I agree with all you say

    if you have been close to death God is trying to warn you. Any and all life is not invaluable God said so. The point of my orginal thread was to show that anybody who doesn't not follow Jesus will die one day so whatever they do on this earth is pretty pointless because all of the good things you did will not last forever. You are correct in saying you should live your life and add value to it and help those in need. God said to do all these things. There is a reward in the next life if you do all things God wants you to do.
     
  8. chuck010342

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    I said nothing of heaven.

    God grants a ressurection for those who believe in Jesus not those who do good deeds. It doesn't grant me to commit suicide but it does provide an excellent reason to die for my faith

    God said not to do those things. They are also unhealthy. God wants you to be healthy thats why he said not to do those things. You see the connection?

    yeah for you it is but the believes get plenty of chances to be forgiven and to live forever :)

    wow an absolutist statement I thought they all died off long ago.
    God said to do healty things therefore you will have a healthy life agian see the connection.

    no you don't but you need God in order to be forgiven so you can live forever.
     
  9. chuck010342

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    some people are wrong in there believes
     
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    hmmm really Matthew 23:15 ring any bells????
     
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    they are not my values they are God's values

    These values are not my own. Like Jesus said "my teaching is not my own but him who sent me"
     
  12. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Yes, Chuck, some are. ;) There are even some people that think that only they (in their belief system) are right. Hold on tight, cause this is really gonna make your head spin, but some people actually believe that they know what God thinks. I know what you're gonna say - who are these people that are so easily deceived? Well....

    TVOR

    PS - I don't suppose you'd like to respond to my post, pointing out the inconsistentcies in your statements about a closed mind and other people being wrong in their beliefs?
     
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    How do you know your interpretation of God's values is the right interpretation?
     
  14. The Voice of Reason

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    That's easy Sunstone - self righteous smugness!

    TVOR
     
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    (These values are not my own. Like Jesus said "my teaching is not my own but him who sent me)

    As I said Chuck, you revert to "I am only the messenger".
    But this is the message of your belief system. If you choose not to believe that my life has value based on your system of belief then that is alright. But you miss my point. I don't think the measurement of the value is in your court, it is my valuation that matters here.
    I could say that in my opinion, your life has no value because it is based on death. And in my system of belief, there is nothing to experience after this life, but, and this is a big "but" it is not my place to decide the value of your existence.Yes I know that you will again be tempted to tell me that it is God who has the final say in this matter, and I say if you talk to or with God then he is real for you, I can not dispute this, "this is your reality". Who am I to dispute your reality based on my reality? I do not believe Chuck, that we are so different,I just believe that we have separate concepts of reality.
    I know Chuck that your posts are designed to win people over to "The Lord" and I must commend you for this concern for others, but the object of this thread is the value of life, and that is subjective in my reality. It is not in yours.
    Peace Chuck, and I do appreciate your concern, and I will give you this, if I am wrong then somehow you will have the right to a big cosmic "I told you so". However, if I am wrong then neither one of us will know. Just let me say in closing that I can not conceive of a loving, caring creator who would give the tool of logic, endow me with free choice, and then punish me for exorcizing those gifts. You can. But the choice is mine, the valuation is mine based on my personal experience. So far, I'm lovin it, and the near death thing doesn't seem like a warning to me. It has only served to give me a deeper appreciatin of this opportunity we call life.
    Peace,
    Faust;)
     
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    your wrong what I'm gonna say is those people are wrong in there believe system.

    TVOR

    I'm not going to respond because my statements are not inconsistant.
     
  17. chuck010342

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    Because God said so (in the bible)
     
  18. Jaymes

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    Mmm, circular logic. :D
     
  19. The Voice of Reason

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    Chuck,
    The first time I put this in a post, I never dreamed that it would become one of the staples of the fight against ignorance and intolerance, but, it seems that it has become just that. Please read the definition below, and try to think if you know anyone that this might be applicable to:

    From Webster's Online Dictionary:
    Main Entry: bigĀ·ot [​IMG]
    Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
    Function: noun
    : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


    I don't think I can point it out to you any more plainly. You say that you are not close-minded, yet you do not allow others to have differing opinions. Perhaps I gave you bad advice earlier. If it is not the course in logic that is failing you, then you might want to ask for a refund from whatever institution taught you English and the use of words.
    Clearly, one or the other (if not both) are evading your grasp.

    TVOR
     
  20. chuck010342

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    a messenger? now way I'm not even worthy enough to be called that I'm a slave if anything.
    your right it is not in my court. God will judge you. I'm simply telling you what God already has told you. I believe that your life has value because God choose you to exsist.
    actually its based on eternal life

    I think that we believe in the same reality but I believe that this world is horrible and one day it will not be.
    the point of my posts is to tell you what God already did. Anybody reading these posts could read a bible instead. The bible is a MUCH better teacher then me
    I believe I respondid to this in another post

    your damn right its your choice. You can do whatever you want God gave you free choice. Whether it is a good choice or not is open to debate.
     
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