Atheism, Theism, Pantheism, Agnosticism, Deism test.

[Willamena]

I would say that God/The Universe could very well have two substances. They're both God/The Universe, giving us a single substance (God), but they're also distinctly different, giving us two substances (Spirit and Matter).

It's like Jesus in mainstream Christianity; he's both physical and spiritual, but still God.

The meaning of Pantheism has expanded as it has branched off into many different sub-categories. If we're going by the definition by John Tolland you posted, then neither naturalistic nor idealistic pantheism would be pantheism either.

But then, if you have two substances, there's something that is god and something that isn't god. Naturalistic and idealistic patheism simply point at what god is: concrete material/nature, or ideal/spirit.

 

[crossfire]

But then, if you have two substances, there's something that is god and something that isn't god. Naturalistic and idealistic patheism simply point at what god is: concrete material/nature, or ideal/spirit.

In pantheism, would either spirit or matter exist without god? If yes, then they are substances. If not, then they are not substances, as the bare particular of each would be god, and god would be the single substance.

Edit to add: if materialists think matter is real, and spirit is illusion, then spirit is not god. If spiritualists think that spirit is real, and matter is illusion, then matter is not god.

 

[Willamena]

In pantheism, would either spirit or matter exist without god? If yes, then they are substances. If not, then they are not substances, as the bare particular of each would be god, and god would be the single substance.

Edit to add: if materialists think matter is real, and spirit is illusion, then spirit is not god. If spiritualists think that spirit is real, and matter is illusion, then matter is not god.

Again, that's another image of pantheism that has god as a substance superior to both material/nature or ideal/spirit, but that informs both.

 

[crossfire]

Again, that's another image of pantheism that has god as a substance superior to both material/nature or ideal/spirit, but that informs both.

Would that be animism?

 

[Willamena]

Would that be animism?

I'm not sure. People point at diverse things as animism. To me, the latter pantheistic image that informs all else is deity (as opposed to the more avataristic god/gods).