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[Audie]

The image of a bumbler is a false image.
The guy managed to start 2 wars with support of Congress.
While I opposed those moves, they nonetheless showed that he was a capable leader.

I recall hearing that he's "worse than Hitler".
Hatred can blind some to history, eh.

I recommend that people stop believing that they have The Truth,
& that all others are not just wrong, but evil. There are only
different perspectives. And if one wants to change them, it requires
civil discourse.

While I'd hate to say they were sycophants,
it does seem that there was a herd mentality,
group-think. Trade Center! Go war! Get flowers
and democracy!

Afghanistan and Iraq, neither of them was really
a nation. Tribal ties run far deeper than national.

We got no flowers. No peace. All the groups
went to fighting eachother. Iran is the winner.

Serious intelligence failure!

Anyone who has read a little history really ought
to know that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

Starting two unwinnable wars is not like an indicator
or high ability.

 

[Revoltingest]

While I'd hate to say they were sycophants,
it does seem that there was a herd mentality,
group-think. Trade Center! Go war! Get flowers
and democracy!

Afghanistan and Iraq, neither of them was really
a nation. Tribal ties run far deeper than national.

We got no flowers. No peace. All the groups
went to fighting eachother. Iran is the winner.

Serious intelligence failure!

Anyone who has read a little history really ought
to know that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

Starting two unwinnable wars is not like an indicator
or high ability.

Given our record of presidents' military adventurism,
we've few who meet your standard of high ability.
In that context, Bush seems average.
And we should note that Hillary also liked those wars.
A bullet dodged.

 

[Mox]

You're not recognizing that If Trump is Hitler, the threat is
immediate & deadly.

I don't think he is Hitler, I just think like Hitler, he harbours fascist sentiment. Like Hitler he has rode a populist wave to power, he has successfully exploited the insecurities and fears of the common people.
Whatever the level of threat he poses, whatever way it may manifest, complacency or indifference, could be entirely unwise.
He has already demonstrated repeatedly, that he is likely to act without ethical or moral restraint.
It's up to individuals to judge the character of the man, and not let others dictate, but judge carefully, because an indeterminable number of lives may be disaffected by your judgement.

 

[Mox]

We got no flowers. No peace. All the groups
went to fighting eachother. Iran is the winner.

Iran is not really winning, the people are on the verge of insurrection, the economy is in tatters. People lack even the most basic amenities all over Iran.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think he is Hitler, I just think like Hitler, he harbours fascist sentiment. Like Hitler he has rode a populist wave to power, he has successfully exploited the insecurities and fears of the common people.

By that standard, most successful politicians are like Hitler.
Bill Clinton had a more fascist legal agenda, eg, warrantless searches,
curbing jury trials, jailing people who insult him in public. GW Bush was
"worse than Hitler". Yet he didn't fire up the ovens or wage pogroms.
So the Hitler comparison might make anti-Trumpers & anti-Bushers feel
righteous, but it just doesn't hold water.

 

[Mox]

By that standard, most successful politicians are like Hitler.

Well you are entitled to that view. I disagree, Trump follows a very specific pattern that distiniguishes him from other US leaders imo. Trump even seems to prefer the company of dictators, prime ministers and presidents from allied nations infuriate him where as Putin and Kim and others, he seems to view far more favourably, as individuals.
Putin is after all, fine.


Best of british luck whatever your nation decides collectively, in the future, whatever that may bring.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well you are entitled to that view. I disagree, Trump follows a very specific pattern that distiniguishes him from other US leaders imo. Trump even seems to prefer the company of dictators, prime ministers and presidents from allied nations infuriate him where as Putin and Kim and others, he seems to view far more favourably, as individuals.
Putin is after all, fine.

That's a pretty weak correlation.
And it fails regarding KJ UN. Trump dissed him pretty
severely until negotiations saw this relationship thaw.
This is more like Reagan (regarding Gorbachev) than Hitler.

Back to the theme of the OP, ie, systems analysis,
Nazi Germany's system of governance was very different
from Americastan under Trump. Pointing to superficial
similarities does not relate to how a system functions at all.

Let's consider what matters about Hitler....
Is it his associating with foreign leaders as he did?
Or is it that he was a dictator who waged pogroms & a world war?
The latter is significant. The former is not.
Moreover, Trump has been friendlier to the Constitution than some
predecessors, eg, Bill Clinton.

 

[Mox]

That's a pretty weak correlation.
.

Not basing my argument on it, just adding it to the mix.

 

[Mox]

What matters about Hitler?
Is it his associating with foreign leaders as he did?
Or is it that he was a dictator who waged pogroms & a world war?
The latter is significant. The former is not.

At least you acknowledge the point made.

A meme for you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not basing my argument on it, just adding it to the mix.

But it has nothing to do with how government, economic or religious systems function.

 

[Mox]

But it has nothing to do with how government, economic or religious systems function.

Who you admire and identify with in life, reveals a lot about you as an individual. Not sure what you are talking about.

 

[Revoltingest]

At least you acknowledge the point made.

A meme for you.

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This merely points out partisan impressions.
Have anything to say about the systems aspect of what's going on?

 

[Revoltingest]

Who you admire in life, reveals a lot about you as an individual. Not sure what you are talking about.

Read the OP again.
One person's admiration for another doesn't address how a system functions.
If all you want to do is claim that Trump is like Hitler because you claim that
he admires such leaders, then it's not relevant to this thread. Now, if you
present a similarity in how Nazi Germany is structured, & relate that to how
Trump is restructuring things here, you'd be back on track.

 

[Mox]

Have anything to say about the systems aspect of what's going on?

Elaborate?

 

[Mox]

Read the OP again.
One person's admiration for another doesn't address how a system functions.
If all you want to do is claim that Trump is like Hitler because you claim that
he admires such leaders, then it's not relevant to this thread.

I think the lady doth protest too much.

 

[Mox]

Now, if you
present a similarity in how Nazi Germany is structured, & relate that to how
Trump is restructuring things here, you'd be back on track.

Well, the forced separation of thousands of children from their parents, done to terrorize would-be economic refugees from Mexico and latin america, a group he has publically labelled 'rapists and murderers', with no proper plan to reunite them, is a good start.

When if/he starts a Trump Youth movement, then I would really get worried if I were you.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the lady doth protest too much.

Methinks thou art obsessed with seeing Hitler.

 

[Mox]

Methinks thou art obsessed with seeing Hitler.

I see Hitler in everyone. Especially me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, the forced separation of thousands of children from their parents, done to terrorize would-be economic refugees from Mexico and latin america, a group he has labelled 'rapists and murderers', with no proper plan to reunite them, is a good start.

The separation is not permanent.
Name calling is not a systems feature.
"Terrorize" is mere histrionics.
Try addressing government's structure, eg, division of powers, constitutional limitations.