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[Revoltingest]

Although on that subject I am absolutely without any humour at all.

It's often not about humor....more a wallowing in the sky-is-falling drama.
The "Trump is the next Hitler" crowd enjoys the same histrionics.
If they really believed it, they'd be emigrating in droves. But they didn't.

 

[Mox]

It's often not about humor....more a wallowing in the sky-is-falling drama.
The "Trump is the next Hitler" crowd enjoys the same histrionics.
If they really believed it, they'd be emigrating in droves. But they didn't.

Where would they go? It isn't so simple to just emigrate to greener lands. You need money for starters, and lots of it.

As for Trump, the US constitution should hold firm. Your bulwark against populists and dictators.
However, there is little doubt in my mind that if Trump isn't an actual dictator, by his oratory, words and deeds...he is a crypto dictator, a fascist, with all the hallmarks of fascism, including but not limited to trade protectionism, undermining state institutions esp law enforcement and judicial, attacking the press, scapegoating minorities and sucking up to a religious voter base.

I don't know how far your man Trump will go, that's the point, he is highly unpredictable, he fires those who disagree, he loves to be flattered, he is really very dangerous you know old chap. Really really.

I say that as a sane human being, not some frothing marxist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where would they go? It isn't so simple to just emigrate to greener lands. You need money for starters, and lots of it.

If they really believed that he was the next Hitler, with
all the concentration camps, pogroms, & executions,
they'd just leave. It doesn't take much money to escape
to Canuckistan, for example....a few bucks to cross
the bridge at Detroit, Port Huron, or Niagara Falls.
But they didn't flee. They aren't even making any
plans to leave. So they didn't really believe it.

 

[Mox]

If they really believed that he was the next Hitler, with
all the concentration camps, pogroms, & executions,
they'd just leave. It doesn't take much money to escape
to Canuckistan, for example....a few bucks to cross
the bridge at Detroit, Port Huron, or Niagara Falls.
But they didn't flee. They aren't even making any
plans to leave. So they didn't really believe it.

You can just choose to live and work in Canada without clearing it with the Canadian authorities?

 

[Mox]

If they really believed that he was the next Hitler, with
all the concentration camps, pogroms, & executions,
they'd just leave..

Well Hitler didn't just spring them on the German people, ''Hey by the way guys we are mass murdering people'' most of them had no knowledge of Nazi death camps. Propaganda took care of that.

Probably not as extreme as Hitler, but do you really judge a nation as impossible to live in only when it starts commiting genocide?

 

[Revoltingest]

You can just choose to live and work in Canada without clearing it with the Canadian authorities?

Imagine what it was like for people who were fleeing
for their lives from Nazi Germany. Their concern was
survival far more than employment opportunities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Probably not as extreme as Hitler....

Only "probably"?
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[columbus]

Imagine what it was like for people who were fleeing
for their lives from Nazi Germany. Their concern was
survival far more than employment opportunities.

While the "regular Joes" of 30s Germany cheered Hitler on for being "good for the economy" and "not letting other countries push Germany around" and "law and order".

Looks pretty Deplorable in hindsight. But Hitler was very popular in the day.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

While the "regular Joes" of 30s Germany cheered Hitler on for being "good for the economy" and "not letting other countries push Germany around" and "law and order".
Looks pretty Deplorable in hindsight. But Hitler was very popular in the day.
Tom

Way to entirely miss the point.

 

[Mox]

Imagine what it was like for people who were fleeing
for their lives from Nazi Germany. Their concern was
survival far more than employment opportunities.

The point I made was that one simply cannot just up sticks. One needs a country to flee to. One that will permit you entry and allow you to reside and work indefinitely. The Jews in Germany had some options, the ones with money anyway, such as fleeing to the UK or USA, as for the rest, well, we know what happened to them.

 

[Audie]

The point I made was that one simply cannot just up sticks. One needs a country to flee to. One that will permit you entry and allow you to reside and work indefinitely. The Jews in Germany had some options, the ones with money anyway, such as fleeing to the UK or USA, as for the rest, well, we know what happened to them.

Stories about ship(s) turned away at every port
returning to Germany...terrible days.

For the spoiled airheads in the USA, typically
Hollywood types who feel they should flee theUSA
as it has become unbearable-

I think something could be worked out. A trade.
There are many millions of people in Asia and Africa
that would do anything to get the chance to come
to the USA. Trade places with them! Let the fleeing
Americans weed sugar cane, pick through dumps,
work in sweatshops, let the Asians and Africans
take their places here.

Heck, they'd start businesses, raise families, vote!

And the spoiled brats who cant stand the USA, well,
they can hoe their millet in the tropical sun. At least
they'd be free to live in an utterly corrupt impoverished
country with no opportunities, and a legal system
that might not even seem fair or PC to them.

 

[Audie]

While the "regular Joes" of 30s Germany cheered Hitler on for being "good for the economy" and "not letting other countries push Germany around" and "law and order".

Looks pretty Deplorable in hindsight. But Hitler was very popular in the day.
Tom

In the "Devil his Due" dept, Hitler was far more
economically successful than either the capitlaists
or communists were. And Germany was far worse
off than the USA-Germany was devastated by war
and ruinous reparations, while the USA and Russia
created their own problems.

 

[Mox]

I think something could be worked out. A trade.
There are many millions of people in Asia and Africa
that would do anything to get the chance to come
to the USA. Trade places with them! Let the fleeing
Americans weed sugar cane, pick through dumps,
work in sweatshops, let the Asians and Africans
take their places here.

I live a few doors away from an American couple who emigrated recently to the UK, they miss their homeland and their friends and family they left behind, it's no easy decision. However they don't regret it. It has cost them a fortune to relocate though, the house prices here are sky high. My city (Cambridge) is particularly expensive to live in.

 

[Mox]

In the "Devil his Due" dept, Hitler was far more
economically successful than either the capitlaists
or communists were.

Not really, the German economy had already began to recover before Hitler became Reichskanzlei (Chancellor) of Germany. Also his program of re armament was the sole reason employment rates improved.

Also, the communists to date have never had a party in power in Germany.

 

[Audie]

Not really, the German economy had already began to recover before Hitler became Reichskanzlei (Chancellor) of Germany. Also his program of re armament was the sole reason employment rates improved.

Also, the communists to date have never had a party in power in Germany.

Nobody can do an economic recovery single handed.
I was referring to the commies in russia and the capitalists in american both of which were doing poorly
in comparison.

 

[Audie]

I live a few doors away from an American couple who emigrated recently to the UK, they miss their homeland and their friends and family they left behind, it's no easy decision. However they don't regret it. It has cost them a fortune to relocate though, the house prices here are sky high. My city (Cambridge) is particularly expensive to live in.

I imagine it is ruinously expensive.

I am very fortunate in the "flee the country"
dept. I can return to Hong Kong any time
I wish, and as my family is heavily into
real estate, I dont have to worry about
the cost of housing-which is beyond incredible,
there.

 

[Mox]

I was referring to the commies in russia and the capitalists in american both of which were doing poorly
in comparison.

I see.

 

[Revoltingest]

The point I made was that one simply cannot just up sticks. One needs a country to flee to. One that will permit you entry and allow you to reside and work indefinitely. The Jews in Germany had some options, the ones with money anyway, such as fleeing to the UK or USA, as for the rest, well, we know what happened to them.

You're not recognizing that If Trump is Hitler, the threat is
immediate & deadly. Thinking of emigrating for permanent
employment bespeaks disbelief that Trump is Hitler.

People say things they don't believe for the purpose of
ramping up emotions, hatred, incivility & polarization.

 

[Audie]

You're not recognizing that If Trump is Hitler, the threat is
immediate & deadly. Thinking of emigrating for permanent
employment bespeaks disbelief that Trump is Hitler.

People say things they don't believe for the purpose of
ramping up emotions, hatred, incivility & polarization.

They did the "GWB is Hitler" thing too.
I think he might well qualify as the most bumbling sort
of incompetent, but not as Hitler.

I am not fan of Trump. He certainly did not get elected
by people in my demographic.

"Angry white men" or, "deplorables" does refer to the
group who did elect him, though it grossly mischaracterizess
them.

I am not one of them, but, then, they are not me either.
I like to think I am an American. Like them.

for the purpose of
ramping up emotions, hatred, incivility & polarization

And it works. We've seen people in our private lives whose
delight is to look for a weak point in others' relationships,
and strike hard at it. Not satisfied with that, others want
to take it national. International.

Sure hope people soon start thinking of themselves
and their neighbours as Americans. This thing of (the other)
fifty percent of the population being deplorable
is not going to end well, if it keeps up.

 

[Revoltingest]

They did the "GWB is Hitler" thing too.
I think he might well qualify as the most bumbling sort
of incompetent, but not as Hitler.

The image of a bumbler is a false image.
The guy managed to start 2 wars with support of Congress.
While I opposed those moves, they nonetheless showed that he was a capable leader.

I recall hearing that he's "worse than Hitler".
Hatred can blind some to history, eh.

I am not fan of Trump. He certainly did not get elected
by people in my demographic.

"Angry white men" or, "deplorables" does refer to the
group who did elect him, though it grossly mischaracterizess
them.

I am not one of them, but, then, they are not me either.
I like to think I am an American. Like them.

for the purpose of
ramping up emotions, hatred, incivility & polarization

And it works. We've seen people in our private lives whose
delight is to look for a weak point in others' relationships,
and strike hard at it. Not satisfied with that, others want
to take it national. International.

Sure hope people soon start thinking of themselves
and their neighbours as Americans. This thing of (the other)
fifty percent of the population being deplorable
is not going to end well, if it keeps up.

I recommend that people stop believing that they have The Truth,
& that all others are not just wrong, but evil. There are only
different perspectives. And if one wants to change them, it requires
civil discourse.