PureX
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I'm contesting the dishonesty behind it.But you're the one contesting the use of words and asserting a specific definition of "disbelief" ...
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I'm contesting the dishonesty behind it.But you're the one contesting the use of words and asserting a specific definition of "disbelief" ...
And what is dishonest about it?I'm contesting the dishonesty behind it.
I've already explained this many time in this thread and others.And what is dishonest about it?
But your explanation doesn't actually make sense. What is dishonest about using words that illustrate your position and giving clear definitions of those words?I've already explained this many time in this thread and others.
And what is dishonest about it?
I've already explained this many time in this thread and others.
You keep alleging dishonesty, I keep refuting your arguments and asking you what is being lied about, and you've never given a suitable answer. You're an intelligent person, PureX. Why can't you give a cogent response regarding this?
Allow me to try and make this clearer.
- I am an individual who does not believe there is a God, but I do not actively believe that there is no God.
- My position is that I do not claim to know or believe that there is or is not a God, because I do not believe there is sufficient evidence for me to believe either proposition, and/or I believe that the evidence I have been presented with is flawed or insufficient.
- I define my position as atheism, using the broad definition of atheism as a "lack of belief in the proposition that there is a God", as my position comes under this umbrella rather than under a narrower definition of the term that entails an active belief in the nonexistence of any God.
Now, please point out what is dishonest about any of the above statements.
We do not know for sure if the sun would rise tomorrow but 'Sigma 6', 99.999% possibility is that it would and would not explode in the next 24 hours, that is why we say the sun would rise tomorrow.
"Six Sigma (6σ) is a set of techniques and tools for process improvement. It was introduced by American engineer Bill Smith while working at Motorola in 1980. Jack Welch made it central to his business strategy at General Electric in 1995. A six sigma process is one in which 99.99966% of all opportunities to produce some feature of a part are statistically expected to be free of defects."
Six Sigma - Wikipedia
That is what is not acceptable. If they have personal evidence which cannot be reproduced for anyone else, then they are free to believe in whatever they want - One God, Satan, Adam and Eve, the great fall, immaculate birth, his son, heaven and hell, apocalypse, and the great final judgment where their God will pronounce rewards and punishment for billions upon billions of souls, some will be raised again, others will go to eternal hell, and perhaps some will be snuffed out. Such believers should not be surprised if others refuse to accept their fairy tales and make fun of them.They have some kinds of personal evidence. Evidently. You'd find out billions say there is 'evidence' of personal kinds.
And how do atheists cope with death?
Well, as one eventually sees over time, the idea that God definitely doesn't exist itself has of course no evidence or proof. If believed, then it's a 'belief without proof.'That is what is not acceptable. If they have personal evidence which cannot be reproduced for anyone else, then they are free to believe in whatever they want - One God, Satan, Adam and Eve, the great fall, immaculate birth, his son, heaven and hell, apocalypse, and the great final judgment where their God will pronounce rewards and punishment for billions upon billions of souls, some will be raised again, others will go to eternal hell, and perhaps some will be snuffed out. Such believers should not be surprised if others refuse to accept their fairy tales and make fun of them.
For the unbelievers, there is the story of 'Emperor's new clothes', they don't want to loose their noses in hope to see Emperor's new clothes.
Some evidence is better than no evidence.Analogy: "dark matter" has never been observed, and the seeming evidence is only indirect -- seeming extra gravity in galaxies and superclusters.
Some evidence is the exact parallel.Some evidence is better than no evidence.
Not parallel. We know a little about 'Dark Matter'. Do we have any evidence for God, soul, prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis, heaven, hell?The exact parallel for the agnostic: there is something motivating very widespread insistence from a worldwide set of people of very diverse background, culture and education and experience, yet all insisting, from around the world, that they've experienced 'God' in some way.
Yes. By the way, astronomy/astrophysics/cosmology are lifelong interests of mine for decades. I recently estimated that combining all the articles and astronomy news I've read, it's closer to 10,000 articles than 5,000. I'm glad though you are looking up summaries.Not parallel. We know a little about 'Dark Matter'. Do we have any evidence for God, soul, prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis, heaven, hell?
"Primary evidence for dark matter comes from calculations showing many galaxies would fly apart instead of rotating, or would not have formed or move as they do, if they did not contain a large amount of unseen matter. Other lines of evidence include observations in gravitational lensing, from the cosmic microwave background, also astronomical observations of the observable universe's current structure, the formation and evolution of galaxies, mass location during galactic collisions, and the motion of galaxies within galaxy clusters."
Dark matter - Wikipedia
"Assuming that the standard model of cosmology is correct, the best current measurements indicate that dark energy contributes 68% of the total energy in the present-day observable universe. The mass–energy of dark matter and ordinary (baryonic) matter contribute 27% and 5%, respectively, and other components such as neutrinos and photons contribute a very small amount. The density of dark energy is very low (~ 7 × 10−30 g/cm3), much less than the density of ordinary matter or dark matter within galaxies. However, it dominates the mass–energy of the universe because it is uniform across space."
Dark energy - Wikipedia
Not parallel. We know a little about 'Dark Matter'. Do we have any evidence for God, soul, prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis, heaven, hell?
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Ok,that NOVA program relates the search to try to find the claimed odd upward lightning flashes, that only a few reported, and that seemed possibly non existent.The video is not available there. Does not matter, because with my hearing problem (I am an old man), I do not see videos. But it any case, I do not believe claims of ANY individual if it is not from (as they say) peer-reviewed real scientific journals (there are many fake pseudo-science journals around).
Sprites are pretty cool, and actually I didn't know of the other kinds of unusual lightning shown in that short video I put in that last post. Imagine seeing the type called an " ELVES" -- just wow. If you saw it the first time, and didn't know it was a known thing, it would be pretty surprising. If it was new to you and a friend, and you told your friend you saw that ring thing (new to them), they would have trouble believing you, even knowing you, I bet.That is possible, Halbhh. I am told that once my brother and myself were sleeping in open on one cot (in Nagaur, a desert region of Rajasthan in India) in stormy conditions. My parents said that they saw a flash of lightening come down and barely escape touching us and returned or dissipated. Perhaps something like that happens in the upward burst of lightening, sort of a false start.
ah, but while that particular video is only from Accuweather, a weather forecasting company, they are only reporting what is known from other sources I can see.If these elves, unicorns, and jinns exist, I would like to see them to believe, not otherwise. Photoshop can do a lot of things.