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Featured Atheism and arrogance

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Piculet, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. Valjean

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    And atheists, who make no such truth claims, are not arrogant.
     
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  2. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Well I think they have to be honest and do the research, so as to inform them that it is not simply a choice as to who we are attracted to. That might be a start at least.
     
  3. PureX

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    That's my point. Religions are like art. They're just reflections of the societies that generate and interpret them. There's no point in blaming the art for the culture that generated it, yet a lot of people do. I don't know why. It's like they think the art makes us. Like blaming Hollywood for producing too many movies about sex, violence, and money. :)

    It's foolish.
     
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    Some are Atheist because of the ignorance experienced in a religion.
     
  5. PureX

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    How are you NOT getting it???
    I'm not so arrogant as to presume that I possess the capacity to determine the possibilities and limitations of what can and cannot exist. So I am able to recognize that unicorns do, indeed, "exist", but only in some ways, and not in others.
     
  6. Mock Turtle

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    Well I blame religions - for setting such things in stone and so as to be quite difficult to change - being God-ordained or whatever. I'd include things like circumcision, attitudes towards females, along with towards homosexuality which might have fared better had we not had such dogmatic adherence to religious teaching - and the texts from whence such came.
     
  7. sun rise

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    Yes. By attacking people here and labeling them arrogant because they don't believe, @Piculet , you are in fact hardening their attitudes and making it less likely to change their minds.
     
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    Or, as Christians largely were until God was made dead. Back when Christians did not ascribe to cultural relativist post-modernist interpretations to the Bible, back when kill them meant kill them, not ponder if it really means kill them in mind or spirit or someother vague metephoric idea of kill.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Yes i am atheist because of the ignorance i experience i experienced from religion
     
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    and even more are atheist becuase of their experience with religion.
    And even more are atheist because of their experience with religionists...
     
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    None of those things are "set in stone". We continue to engage in those ideals and practices because we WANT TO. Because they still MAKE SENSE TO US. (Or to most of us.) Eventually, when they no longer make sense to us, or we no longer see any benefit in them, we will let them go ... like those bronze monuments to long dead rich guys who lost wars they never should have fought to begin with.

    We create these things because they mean something to us at the time. They "work" for us. And we keep them around as long as they keep "working". And when they no longer are relevant, or functional, we will leave them to fall into the dust of history. Religions are very much like those monuments, only more universal, and much more functional, in both their good and bad ways. But it's WE who give them life, and relevance. And it's WE who keep them around for as long as we do. Religions are just courses of thought and action that we humans engage in to help us becomes who we think we want or ought to be. And the gods are just idealized representations of those goals.

    The way to deal with these things is to try and get people to see that they are choosing those god-images, and that they need to do so carefully. Because those god images are reflections of their own most sacred ideals. And of who they are working to become.
     
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    Well, I'm not exactly and atheist, but yes, I agree. I've experienced a good deal of ignorance in a religion or two that affected my departure from theism.
     
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    Who knows.
     
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    Those who believe that their beliefs in God, and acts of worshipping God, makes them either immune to arrogance or beyond it, are most definitely arrogant. "I'm too good to be arrogant", is a statement of arrogance.
     
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    We're allowed to say that Fundamentalism is un-enlightening, but we are not allowed to discuss atheist traits... Seems biased and unfair, especially in stating someone is "free to go" for exploring the idea.

    ...Ridiculously unfair, IMO.
     
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    Did someone claim that theists are immune to arrogance..? I don't recall seeing that here, or is it an assumption?
     
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    Where exactly are you getting your information?
     
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    Are you twisting @Windwalker's words intentionally, or did you just misread or misunderstand what was written?
     
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    I would disagree.

    Very few children are raised as atheists. The reality of atheism isn't handed down.

    Most children are raised to believe in a god. Their "reality" is handed down.
     
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    I assume sarcasm because atheists do make absolutist claims about religion being evil (not all, to forgo the obvious retort) but some.
     
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