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Featured Atheism and arrogance

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Piculet, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. Piculet

    Piculet Active Member

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    Are atheists arrogant because they don't believe or do they not believe because they are arrogant?

    I believe the latter is the correct view.

    Qur'an 7:146 "Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them."

     
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  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Oh look, another Atheist hating thread based on ignorance.
     
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  3. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Well, at least we are not arrogant enough to believe that an almighty being created the whole Universe for us.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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    Well...bully for you!
     
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  5. Windwalker

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    Arrogance leads to atheism? Have you never seen the arrogance of religious people before? In fact, someone believing they and they alone have God's truth, is itself arrogance. Are they on that road to atheism?
     
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  6. Polymath257

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    I find atheists to be much more humble than many theists: they don't claim to know things that they cannot, and don't start threads saying others are arrogant while displaying their own arrogance.
     
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  7. Altfish

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    Well if this were a football game I'd say the current score is Piculet 0 Atheists 6
     
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  8. Left Coast

    Left Coast Aspiring Vegan Mosquito Slayer
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    Hey look! Another "my holy book says it, that's all the evidence I need!" thread.

    If you're just going to insult people on this forum instead of making a rational argument, you may go.
     
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  9. icehorse

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    I think that most of us atheists simply value logic and critical thinking more than we value religious faith.
     
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  10. Rival

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    No, they just don't see a good reason to believe in G-d.

    That's fine.
     
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    It's not necessarily "arrogance," although I suppose there might be some who would fit that description. As an agnostic (sometimes called a "weak atheist"), I'm not going to claim to have any knowledge which I don't have. If I don't know something, I'm not afraid to say it. As far as I'm concerned, it's the most honest position I can take. If God does exist, how could He fault me for being honest?

    If God showed Himself to all or came to me directly, then that would be one thing. If some human being came along and claimed to be a messenger or that he/she spoke directly with God, I might even take that into consideration (although that wouldn't be enough to make me believe automatically). But when it's someone who has never personally met God, and is really just a messenger of a messenger of a messenger of a messenger (ad infinitum), then I might start to become doubtful and skeptical.

    And with so many different "messengers" and proselytizers out there trying to hawk their own religion, which can often be in conflict with other religions, then I might wonder which religion is "correct" and might worry about picking the "wrong" religion.

    There's a religion which requires that virgins be sacrificed to a volcano every so often. What if that's the true and correct religion, and everyone else has been wrong? How do we know that's not the case?

    It seems that picking a religion might be a spiritual version of "Russian Roulette," so it one chooses to opt out, I can't see how it's arrogant.
     
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    From Mariam-Webster:

    Definition of arrogance
    : an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions


    Given that claims and assumptions of theists and their common attitude of superiority, don't you think the theists are the arrogant ones?
     
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  13. Father Heathen

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    The arrogant ones are those who think that their own beliefs are entitled to respect or reverence, even if undue or reciprocated. The arrogant ones are those who attempt to impose their beliefs upon others.
     
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    I don't believe because I am ignorant. I have no knowledge about God that I feel is reliable. I know there are lots of beliefs about God but none are testable. How in my ignorance can I rely on what this person says or that person says?

    Many have their own ideas about who or what God is. I'd rather accept the truth that I have no idea about God.
     
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    I concur.
    And will go on record flat out saying that no group has a monopoly on arrogance.
     
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  16. Secret Chief

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    I'm sorry I'm going to have to stop you there. Theists can be perceived as arrogant or not. Atheists can be perceived as arrogant or not. I am not aware that there is a causal, positive relationship between a belief and a personality trait.

    The OP displays arrogance and ignorance imo.
     
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  17. Cooky

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    Be very, very careful. This is a *super-sensitive* topic here at RF.

    ...But you're alright to rag on Islam all day. Atheism is untouchable, however.
     
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  18. Cooky

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    Calm down please. It's a topic for discussion, you shouldn't take it so personally.
     
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  19. Valjean

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    Why do you think atheists are arrogant? What are they arrogating?
     
  20. Valjean

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    It's the theists that are making unwarranted claims.
    arrogate
     
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