At last, Raven Paradox is solved!

[questfortruth]

INTRODUCTION

MY CONTRIBUTION

The author of the paradox calls the sentence "All Ravens are black" as a hypothesis. However, we must call it as a part of the definition of the raven; namely, the raven is defined by form, by size, by actions, by sound, and by color. All key characteristics must match for us to call the object as "raven". Hereby the color of the raven is the identity of the bird because no blue ravens were seen. Yes, the ravens with only one wing were seen, and the mutated ravens with two heads could be seen somewhere, but these features are not part of raven identity, because they were seen and are known to be departure from norm: sickness. However, only black ravens are being seen so far. So, the color of the raven is included in the definition of the raven.

APPLICATION, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

However, the theism was considered the norm for a human just some 200 years ago (before the Darwinian Revolution). Therefore, it should be included into identity of the human. And, if so, some human can loose the Existence, becoming zombie like Adolf Hitler or satan. IT IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The author of the paradox calls the sentence "All Ravens are black" as a hypothesis. However, we must call it as a part of the definition of the raven; namely, the raven is defined by form, by size, by actions, by sound, and by color. All key characteristics must match for us to call the object as "raven". Hereby the color of the raven is the identity of the bird because no blue ravens were seen. Yes, the ravens with only one wing were seen, and the mutated ravens with two heads could be seen somewhere, but these features are not part of raven identity, because they were seen and are known to be departure from norm: sickness. However, only black ravens are being seen so far. So, the color of the raven is included in the definition of the raven.

Mutations and things not normal do not disqualify something from being of its species. Thus, I present the albino raven.

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

The definition of a human doesn't include individual beliefs, ideologies, and what not.

However, the theism was considered the norm for a human just some 200 years ago (before the Darwinian Revolution). Therefore, it should be included into identity of the human. And, if so, some human can loose the Existence, becoming zombie like Adolf Hitler or satan. IT IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Slavery, domestic abuse, and widespread alcohol abuse (it makes todays abuse seem like moderation) were also very common just 200 years ago or less. Should rhose be a definition of and included in human identity?

 

[questfortruth]

Slavery, domestic abuse, and widespread alcohol abuse (it makes todays abuse seem like moderation) were also very common just 200 years ago or less. Should rhose be a definition of and included in human identity?

Let us think following: if everybody would be homosexual, then it is the end of humankind. Thus, homosexuality should not be our identity. If everybody would be atheist, then there would be no hope for better life, for protection, for good feeling. No comforting thoughts at death bed. Thus, the atheism is not our identity.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why are you espousing untruths, @questfortruth ?

 

[McBell]

Why are you espousing untruths, @questfortruth ?

Some people are of the mind that what they believe is truer truth than anything else presented.
some of them take it to extreme extremes.
I forget the medical term for it.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Let us think following: if everybody would be homosexual, then it is the end of humankind. Thus, homosexuality should not be our identity. If everybody would be atheist, then there would be no hope for better life, for protection, for good feeling. No comforting thoughts at death bed. Thus, the atheism is not our identity.

I am afraid every thing you have said so far is illogical and rubbish

 

[Aupmanyav]

Let us think following: if everybody would be homosexual, then it is the end of humankind.

Law of averages, everyone cannot be homosexual. Everyone cannot also be an atheist. You need a strong spine and legs to do that. Those who need crutches to stand cannot be atheists.

 

[SomeRandom]

Let us think following: if everybody would be homosexual, then it is the end of humankind. Thus, homosexuality should not be our identity..

No, all that would happen is surrogacy would skyrocket. Sexual orientation is not the same as having babies.
Granted heterosexuality might encourage that. But it’s not a guarantee.
Besides if everyone was a woman, we’d all die out. Does that mean women are not human?

If everybody would be atheist, then there would be no hope for better life, for protection, for good feeling. No comforting thoughts at death bed. Thus, the atheism is not our identity.

Nonsense. Existentialism is a philosophical position that there is no inherent meaning to life. And yet they seem more than eager to take life by the horns and celebrate its beautiful nonsense. I think some schools of Nihilism too. Atheism doesn’t preclude human comfort. You’re thinking of sociopathy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let us think following: if everybody would be homosexual, then it is the end of humankind. Thus, homosexuality should not be our identity. If everybody would be atheist, then there would be no hope for better life, for protection, for good feeling. No comforting thoughts at death bed. Thus, the atheism is not our identity.

If everyone became homosexual we could still reproduce.
And speak for yourself about atheism. Ive known many, and there are many more on this site, whi don't have thos problems or issues you speak of.

 

[questfortruth]

whi don't have thos problems or issues you speak of.

There is information in WWW ( Ответы Mail.ru: Я читал, что среди всех религиозных групп, именно у атеистов наиболее часто бывают самоубийства. Где я это читал? ), that most high cuicide rate belongs to atheists than
to other religions.

 

[questfortruth]

If everyone became homosexual we could still reproduce.

and if Sun would be black, it still would give us light.

 

[HonestJoe]

The author of the paradox calls the sentence "All Ravens are black" as a hypothesis. However, we must call it as a part of the definition of the raven; namely, the raven is defined by form, by size, by actions, by sound, and by color.

That is a complete misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of the point of a hypothesis. The whole idea is to use the hypothesis to test our belief that, in this example, "all ravens are black".

This also has literally nothing to do with the actual paradox and certainly isn't any kind of resolution (something it really already has several of).

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

Because those are not fundamental features like the blackness of ravens, they're individual characteristics.

However, the theism was considered the norm for a human just some 200 years ago (before the Darwinian Revolution).

Questionable anyway but just being "the norm" for a limited period of time would still not be equivalent to the blackness of ravens, which is essentially ubiquitous. Theism is an individual characteristic, just like atheism or homosexuality, and none of them are fundamental to what it is to be a human being.

IT IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

Your personal opinion is factually wrong.

 

[Valjean]

INTRODUCTION

MY CONTRIBUTION

The author of the paradox calls the sentence "All Ravens are black" as a hypothesis. However, we must call it as a part of the definition of the raven; namely, the raven is defined by form, by size, by actions, by sound, and by color. All key characteristics must match for us to call the object as "raven". Hereby the color of the raven is the identity of the bird because no blue ravens were seen. Yes, the ravens with only one wing were seen, and the mutated ravens with two heads could be seen somewhere, but these features are not part of raven identity, because they were seen and are known to be departure from norm: sickness. However, only black ravens are being seen so far. So, the color of the raven is included in the definition of the raven.

APPLICATION, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

However, the theism was considered the norm for a human just some 200 years ago (before the Darwinian Revolution). Therefore, it should be included into identity of the human. And, if so, some human can loose the Existence, becoming zombie like Adolf Hitler or satan. IT IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I think people are using "identity" more in a cultural context than definitively.

 

[Revoltingest]

INTRODUCTION

MY CONTRIBUTION

The author of the paradox calls the sentence "All Ravens are black" as a hypothesis. However, we must call it as a part of the definition of the raven; namely, the raven is defined by form, by size, by actions, by sound, and by color. All key characteristics must match for us to call the object as "raven". Hereby the color of the raven is the identity of the bird because no blue ravens were seen. Yes, the ravens with only one wing were seen, and the mutated ravens with two heads could be seen somewhere, but these features are not part of raven identity, because they were seen and are known to be departure from norm: sickness. However, only black ravens are being seen so far. So, the color of the raven is included in the definition of the raven.

APPLICATION, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

However, the theism was considered the norm for a human just some 200 years ago (before the Darwinian Revolution). Therefore, it should be included into identity of the human. And, if so, some human can loose the Existence, becoming zombie like Adolf Hitler or satan. IT IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

We make up definitions for words because they're useful to describe
things, eg, concepts, objects, animals. But we regularly discover
that they don't fit new discoveries about these things. And so they
change. No big deal.

 

[ChristineM]

Mutations and things not normal do not disqualify something from being of its species. Thus, I present the albino raven.

The definition of a human doesn't include individual beliefs, ideologies, and what not.

Slavery, domestic abuse, and widespread alcohol abuse (it makes todays abuse seem like moderation) were also very common just 200 years ago or less. Should rhose be a definition of and included in human identity?

I just downloaded that very image to post in reply to this thread. You won.

 

[ChristineM]

Some people are of the mind that what they believe is truer truth than anything else presented.
some of them take it to extreme extremes.
I forget the medical term for it.

Not precisely the medical term but close enough

Dunning Kruger

 

[ChristineM]

By the same talken the homosexuality and atheism will never be included into definition of a human, because it is not the identity of the human.

Nor is washing the pots, driving the car, worshipping the god you sit on your shoulder, your point being?

 

[questfortruth]

your point being

Adolf Hitler is very bad. Mother Theresa is very good. Steven Hawking is very smart and kind.
Consider PERFECT HUMAN. Can He be an atheist? Can He be gay?

 

[Revoltingest]

There is information in WWW ( Ответы Mail.ru: Я читал, что среди всех религиозных групп, именно у атеистов наиболее часто бывают самоубийства. Где я это читал? ), that most high cuicide rate belongs to atheists than
to other religions.

Here's some research in a better language....
New Study Suggests Religion Affects Suicide Rates Differently Around the World - Medill News Service
Results are mixed.

 

[ChristineM]

Adolf Hitler is very bad. Mother Theresa is very good. Steven Hawking is very smart and kind.
Consider PERFECT HUMAN. Can He be an atheist? Can He be gay?

Hitler was christian, i know, i know, there are billions of Christians refute that by denying evidence. They may believe what they want.
Mother Theresa's sad and disturbing legacy is not what you think it is
Hawking is dead and was atheist

Contravertial but must be said, Jesus hung about with men and never married?