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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Mark1615, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. Buttons*

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    .... you think?

    The fulfilled prophecies could be because Yeshua never existed, a make believe person can do anything you want them to do.

    The Bible has nothing to do with science, and there shouldn't have to be proof for faith.

    It's supernatural like any other religion, mythology, or belief system. There is nothing unique to Christianity. Most of the concepts preached in the NT were there before Yeshua was supposed to have been alive. There were mythological figures of Greece who performed many miracles that Yeshua was said to have performed, including a god-man who was crucified.

    "The Jesus Mysteries" -- Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy
     
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    that, in no way, shape, or form answered Halcyon's question
     
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    That's nice, but that doesn't prove that he even ever existed, you take that upon faith.

    Anyone can write, "God said" on a piece of paper, does that mean that God actually did? No. This is known as a "rhetorical question"

    Those "prophecies" from Paul were written after all of the events happened. Check your dates. He could have simply written down what happened at Tyre and said that Yeshua predicted it. Paul never even met Yeshua, so how could he know what Yeshua said?
     
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    Therefore, we have contradictory statements. Halcyon asked which one was more accurate, you have a habit of not answering the question asked.
     
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    From the Gnostic stand point, death equates sleep, which means ignorance. To "raise someone from the dead" would be to wake them up from their ignorance into understanding/light/holy spirit. He is truly the Christ because Christ is a title, not a person's name. Christ is "the annointed" and therefore Yeshua is no more than an annointed, and knowledgable Jew who understood the mysteries. This made his actions eminate Silence's ultimate truth. Unfortunatley, men were too focused on Jewish law to see clearly what Yeshua told them, so he used parables.

    The story of Yeshua and Miriam of Magdala is an allegory for enlightenment. Miriam is a parable for Sophia, and Yeshua for Seth. He never lived, pagan gods were used and transformed into what we now know as Jesus. Of course he can fit any prophecy if he's made up.

    Gnostic Christianity pre-dates the time when Yeshua was said to have even been alive.
     
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    This is patently untrue.

    There's a gap in your "logic" here. No one doubts that Plato and Aristotle are ancient documents because they are quoted by other ancients.

    Isn't P46 the oldest at 150?

    You forgot to mention that no two MSS of your 30k+ MSS are exactly the same. Therefore, your conclusions don't match your evidence. We don't know exactly what the original MSS said because we don't have them. All we have is best guess.

    Welcome to fantasy land. There is no ancient writing outside of the NT that confirm his birth, death, ministry, and resurrection. There may be a hint of his existence.

    Pliny mentions Christians, not Jesus. Josephus simply mentions that Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead, but this source is dubious. Seutonius mentions rebellions incited by Chrestus - hardly confirmation of Christ's ministry. The Annals of Tacitus mention Christ? Where?

    The rest of the post hardly deserves response.
     
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    No one answered my question!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Marks point was not valid, AE was just speaking his mind. That's completely rude and uncalled for to say that Christ is ashamed of anyone. AE is one of the better Christians in this place!
     
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    How do you know Mary wasn't cheating on Joseph?
    If a woman today said she was a virgin while being pregnent or, that the child came from god, she would either have to be artificially incementated or lying.
     
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    No, Gnosticism pre-dates Christ, the term Christianity wasn't coined until after the time of Christ and hence Gnostic Christianity can't possibly pre-date Him. Given that Gnosticism is more a group of related cults than an actual religion, each sharing a certain emphasis on gnosis, or enlightenment, and given that the Gnostic mystery cults were amazingly syncretistic, borrowing deities from whichever other religious traditions seemed appropriate at the time, the fact that a version of Gnosticism including Christian elements arose after Christ is not surprising but nor can it be said to constitute any evidence whatsoever either for or against the historical existance of Jesus Christ. In actual fact there was more than one Gnostic Christian cult in the early years of the Church, and some lasted until quite late, often with widely differing mythologies, moral values and doctrines. Gnostic Christianity (at least historically speaking, I'm still not clear on how unified neo-Gnostic beliefs are) is a catch all term for such groups rather than a religion per se, in much the same way as Protestantism is a catch all term for the western churches who broke away from Rome. In neither case does the catch all term give you much of an idea, in and of itself, as to what the group actually believes, though it does narrow the possibilities (a little).

    James
     
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    ;) Buttons...drinkin' the "Haterade?"
     
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    I do not know much about other religions (outside my own), so I am here to just learn from you guys.

    Questions: What is the difference between the New and Old Testament, and why did the Old Testament have to be changed.

    (This question has probably been asked a million times but I still struggle understanding it)

    Jesus never said "I am God, Worship Me." But yet he is considered God and is begin worshipped?

    If anyone can answer those questions it will help me with my homework, lol

    Thanks and Peace to all of you.
     
  14. angellous_evangellous

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    Being a Christian is no excuse to push basless propaganda that suppots your view.
     
  15. angellous_evangellous

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    Thanks, Buttons.
     
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    you're completely right, sorry for my mis-information. I was tired when i posted it, wasnt really thinking....
    :eek:
     
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    No, i cant stand the taste of it *bleh*... *smiles*
     
  18. angellous_evangellous

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    ...but I have .... muwhahahahahahaha :149:

    :biglaugh:
     
  19. Ody

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    God job on ignoring muslimbrother :(
     
  20. Ody

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    No one has answered his question :bounce
     
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