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No, we don't believe they are "one substance." We believe they are physically distinct from one another, but "one" in will, purpose, mind and heart. We believe both are divine and that they share the title, "God." We believe that Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God.Buttercup said:
Realy? I thought you thought differently. I like this (being that I wanted to be mormon) This was the one thing that kept me away. Please explain more as my ears are up and my interest is all on this. If this is the case you would be a Christian. I thought LDS vision was like the JW's.Katzpur said:
Ask any question about Chritianity is the thread. I think anyone looking at this subject should know these things. I think this might be the perfect place for this. I don't want to compare JW and Mormons. I only care what and Who Christ is to you(LDS.)Katzpur said:No, we are quite unlike the Jehovah's Witnesses in this regard. I hate to leave it at that, but I really don't want to sidetrack Mark's thread. Would you mind starting a new thread in which we can discuss this? Thanks!
Okay. If nobody minds, I'm fine discussing it here.Abram said:
He was definitely not "just a man." He was not "God the Father," but He was and is divine and is part of the Godhead. His unity with His Father is almost incomprehensible to us. They are totally, absolutely, perfectly united in every conceivable way -- except physically. Jesus was with His Father in the beginning and created our universe under His Father's direction. He was "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." He is our mediator with the Father and the only means by which we may be reconciled to God. It is entirely appropriate to address Him as "God," although we generally are referring to God the Father when we use this title.
Me neither, to be perfectly honest.Buttercup said:
I think that's a pretty big part of it. It's also hard for me to understand the problem people have with the Book of Mormon, though. Its subtitle is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." In other words, it exists with the express purpose of acting as another witness to the divinity of Jesus Christ. It's a companion volume to the Bible. It doesn't supplant the Bible or contradict it.
No, we pray to God, our Father in Heaven, and we do so in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ. We believe Joseph Smith to have been a prophet, like Moses, Abraham and the other Biblical prophets, but we don't see him as divine. We don't pray to him or worship him.
This is the best news I've heard all week. You have not idea the battle I've been fighting with this. Katzpur you have made a huge impact on me. Thanks so much. The LDS live so by the book and your familys are so loving and caring I want to raise my family in the same surroundings. You can even look back at posts "has RF ever changed you view" and you will see this has been a issue for me.Katzpur said:
Wow! And that's the best news I've heard all week.Abram said:
We are misunderstood. There is no denying that. I'm not trying to play the victim role; I'm just stating the facts as I see them. The doctrine and teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have made a profound impact on my life. I can't imagine how I would be able to live without them. In Mormonism, I find answers, answers that make sense and feel right. These answers sustain, comfort and guide me every day of my life.
Yes, much can be found at carm. Unfortunately, very little of it is accurate.Steve said:
We are all sons and daughters of the same God. He is the Father of our Spirits.
False.
More or less. You're at least on the right track with this one.
Not LDS doctrine.
Not LDS doctrine.
False.
Yes.
Yes, except that we don't believe in the Trinity. We believe in the Godhead.
A misleading and incomplete explanation.
I do believe it is wrong in many areas.beckysoup61 said:
Christ according to the bible is creator of all things, he is eternal eg existed befor time as we know it, befor he created matter/space/time - not like with us or satan.Steve said:
Well why is it written in "Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188"Steve said:
So was it satan who tempted us into sin in the first place? Wasnt he at this point already at war with God?Steve said:
So why is it written in Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith and Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt and Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345 and Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333?Steve said:
Again many sources, and i think ive heard that myself from mormons befor too.Steve said:
I know its false but it was "your" prophet who taught it.Steve said:
So this Godess wife where did she come from? Is there more then one eternal God? Why isnt she part of your definition of the "Godhead"?Steve said:
Which amounts to 3 Gods? plus the wife wherever she fits in?Steve said:
Ok well explain it so its not misleading, how would there be no salvation if Joseph Smith didnt do his thing?Steve said:
Ok well ive raise some issues concerning mormonism, all you have replied with for many of them is one word answers, despite the sources etc. If you want to try and explain these doctrines etc go ahead i really am interested in hearing your explanations.Katzpur said:
Obviously. But you don't even know what we really believe. You only know what some anti-Mormon website claims we believe.Steve said:
I'll respond to this quote first, even though it was the last thing you said. You have been very outspoken in describing LDS doctrine, but most of what you say we believe, we don't believe at all. There are four volumes of scripture in the LDS canon: The Bible (KJV), The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. If you can find a teaching in one of these four books, it's a safe bet that it's doctrine. If you can't find it in one of these books, I can pretty much guarantee you that it's one man's interpretation of LDS doctrine. It may be an accurate interpretion, but then again, it may not be. It is important for people such as you -- who really don't know what we believe -- to recognize that we have never held any of our prophets to be infallible. We have never claimed -- nor have they -- that every word they ever spoke was directly from God. They were human beings, like you or me. They made mistakes. They had opinions of their own which they sometimes stated. Their opinions are not LDS doctrine unless, as I said before, they can be backed up through one of the books I previously mentioned. (These, incidentally, are known as the "Standard Works." Many of your quotes came from non-doctrinal sources.)
According to the Bible, Christ is the creator of our universe. The Latter-day Saints share this belief with all Christians. He was with His Father "in the beginning." But He is not His own Father. He is a separate being, who is perfectly united with His Father in will and purpose. God the Father is the Father of our Spirits. This is entirely consistent with what the Bible teaches. That Jesus Christ was the firstborn of the Father's spirit children is also strictly Biblical. I am not aware of anywhere in the Bible where we are expressly taught that God has a female companion. Are you aware of anywhere in the Bible where we are taught that He does not?
I think I already commented sufficiently on these criticisms. The "Doctrines of Salvation," the "Journal of Discources" and the "Times and Seasons" are not part of the LDS canon. In terms of what you think you remember, I'd suggest you think again. Obviously, your memory is less than perfect.
I have no idea. We have not been given this information. She is not, however, part of the Godhead. The Godhead is comprised of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost.
Yes, it amounts to three divine beings who share the title of God. You can criticize this belief all you want. But while you're at it, you might try answering the following questions for me, because I've just never been able to figure them out:
Joseph Smith restored the gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth. Through him, God restored Priesthood authority which had been lost for centuries. It is through the Priesthood that man is given the authority to act in God's name, performing the sacred ordinances that are a vital part of the Savior's Gospel.
