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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Mark1615, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. Mark1615

    Mark1615 Member

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    Sorry, I am not familiar with Zoroastrianism. If you say such things are true, then I will believe you. But this doesn't disprove the Bible.
     
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    but that doesnt make sense to me....
    so although this would actually be his third coming, you only count the times that he came as a full grown man? In that case, why did Yeshua have to be born? Wouldn't have been more of a miracle to just appear? He would have reached many more people that way.
     
  3. Ibrahim Al-Amin

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    No, you're right, it doesn't disprove anything. But a critical look at the Nag Hammadi Library and the Dead Sea Scrolls makes you question the legitimacy of the canon.
     
  4. muslimbrother

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    "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." (Luke 18:19)

    - This one verse is the most interesting verse to me. From what I read and understand, Jesus is telling someone, "Why callest thou me good?". He is saying he was not the cause for the "good" that occured. Then he continues "There is none good but ONE, that is God". I think he is referring to One God? That is what I understand from this verse. He did not say 3 in 1, or I am god, or son of god, or father. He said One God.

    -If Jesus was god, that means he could do what he wished. Why would God suffer for us? Why would the creator suffer for the creation?

    -And what is with original sin? Everyone is born with a sin? Sounds awkward, you have a sin before you commit one action. I think it comes from the mistakes of Adam and Eve, but shouldn't adam and eve get the sins of adam and eve, why should everyone else have it as well. Do my sins go to my brother? Explain original sin.

    -Finally, IF YOU THINK JESUS IS DISRESPECTED IN ISLAM< YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD, THERE IS A LINK SHOWING THE LIFE OF JESUS ACCORDING TO ISLAM
    http://anwary-islam.com/prophet-story/isa.htm
     
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    1) not all christians believe in original sin, just like all Christians dont believe in the trinity. Specific doctrines will tell you what's up with their view of it.
    2) I remember a story told in the bible where one of his followers asks him, "why is that man blind, the sins of his mother or father?" Yeshua says, "neither, no sin has created his blindness" Original sin, to me, is abrahamic way to say karma. If you do bad things, sin, sin will reward you with them. Same ideas in most religions, just a twist of perception.

    thanks for the link. I dont think any Christians really feel that Islam attacks Yeshua, and if they do, they are indeed seriously mistaken.
     
  6. evearael

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    The biggest question I've had of late is the contradiction between the life Jesus lead and his teachings and the teachings of Paul.
     
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    Yeah, latley i wonder if we're following Paul's edict or Yeshua's love...hmm...
     
  8. Mark1615

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    John 10:30,38; 14:7-11.

    Everyone is born sinful, indeed. Because Adam and Eve brought sin into the world, through them all are sinful. The Ten Commandments make it clear that we are sinful, because we have not kept them. But Christ has taken our sin upon Himself by dying on the cross over 2000 years ago. He took our punishment for sin, and through Him we have eternal life!
     
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    I pray that you at least try following one of them.
     
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    What do you mean?
     
  11. Mark1615

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    You said "we're" earlier. I just hope that you truly are.
     
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    I'm not a Christian.
    Didn't mean to mislead you on that....
    Thanks for looking out for me though!
     
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    So what sin are we born having committed? Is it sinful to be born? What do you believe happens to a day-old baby who dies if you believe he or she is "sinful"?
     
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    ...there's actually a thread about that:
    John 3:16
     
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    Thank you! I'll check it out.
     
  16. muslimbrother

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    I think in Christianity there is a similar belief in the "Day of Judgement". When God rises all his creations and judges there life, sins and good deeds.

    "Because Adam and Eve brought sin into the world, through them all are sinful. "

    When someone dies, aren't they judged according to there own actions. Why would they receive an "original" sin from the actions of someone else.

    "The Ten Commandments make it clear that we are sinful, because we have not kept
    them."

    I don't understand what you mean by "we have not kept them."
     
  17. nawab

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    Really Oh Thank God, I have so many Questions i will only start with a few.

    Did Jesus claimed to be God or said to worship him, in any version
    Why is the Bible going agaisnt the idea of original sin Ezekeil 18:20
    Why did jesus cried on the cross Elah Elah why have thou forsaken me
    Why did the Revised Standard Version Bible took out the word Begotton from John 3:16
    Why did Jesus told the Jew that there is only one God, when Christians follow 3 Co-Gods
    Why did Hungry Jesus cursed the Fig Tree because the season of the figs was not yet.
    why did Jesus had to be crucified, Can God almighty forgive us since he is the Most Merciful
    why are there embarrasing passages in the bible like Ezekeil 23 and 10 cases of incest
    why did George Bernard Shaw said The Bible is the most dangerous book on earth,
    why did the Bible in Hong Kong not sold to people under 18 years like tobacco and alcholol
    why do Christians claim that the old law is abolished when the OT & NT are considered to the together the word of God

    Please explain these to me. Thanks may Allah Give you all guidiance.
     
  18. Poisonshady313

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    The victories AND the failures of Israel are on record for all to see.

    If you think Ezekiel 23 is about two women being harlots, you are sorely mistaken. Verse 4 makes it crystal clear that the whole chapter is a parable... a metaphor.

    Basically... Israel screwed up... and they were punished for it.

    God said when Israel screwed up, they would be punished for it.

    But remember, God also said:

    But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.

    I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a God to them. I am the Lord.
     
  19. nawab

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    My Dear Cousin

    Why would God Almighty Alohim Allah revealed that because Israel didnt obey so they were punished by describingthe whoredoms of the 2 sisters, honestly tell me i dont know if you are a male or a female, will you read this chapter to your daughter or your son, to tell them Because your ancestors didnt do the job so they were described as two whores, common i cant accept that I will challenge you that no Rabbi or preist would read it to his congregation. The language it is basically pornography.
     
  20. nawab

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    Dear Poisonshady

    Are the 10 cases of incest mentioned in the Jewish bible too, and Ezekeil 23 also in the Jewish bible
     
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