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Ask about Jehovah's Witnesses

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by WitnessofJah, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    But jah I told the Witnesses politely I wasn't interested and the same ones came back every week to try again..
     
  2. WitnessofJah

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    How can address something that I don't have access to? This argument is getting ridiculous. As the prosecuter (so to speak), you are supposed to be showing evidence and back-ups for your case while I defend it. As it is, you have posted one sentence from an entire book which was written in 1929 with no specified context and you expect me to do all the work for you! I have already posted more than enough evidence (which you are yet to respond to) for a 1-line sentence.

    Absolutely. The JW organization is multicultural from the very top to the very bottom. Just to make you aware, there is no ranking system (we are all equal in God's eyes) but some people have more priviledges than others - and this includes nationalities from all four corners of the earth.


    P.S. This is the last time I'm responding to accusations of racism. I'm tired already of defending something that has never and does not exist. I'm not going to have a long and drawn out debate over something has never happened. Jehovah's Witnesses have actually died for not being racist (the Nazi and Soviet era's come to mind), and you want to undermine their deaths because of an internet article you found on the net. You genuinely do not want to learn about JW and never have done - but insist on implying untruths.
     
  3. WitnessofJah

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    a) Hell (a fiery burning place of torment) does not exist - it is symbolic.
    b) The scripture is not saying that. In cunjuction and back-up of many other scriptures, the unrighteous will not enter the Messianic reign.
     
  4. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    Thanks! That's a huge load off my mind. :)
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Then why do you persist in arguing?
     
  6. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    This reminds me of the scripture when Jesus tells the apostles to go out in pairs without money or purse to search for deserving ones. Enter the households of the ones that accept the message and shake the dust off your feet to those who do not accept the word of God and never go back to them again.


    Matthew 10:11 Into whatever city or village you enter, find out who in it is worthy; and stay there until you go on 10:12 As you enter into the household, greet it. 10:13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come on it, but if it isn’t worthy, let your peace return to you. 10:14 Whoever doesn’t receive you, nor hear your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake off the dust from your feet.


    Question 1: Why does the Governing Body not teach the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses to enter the households like Jesus commanded?:confused:

    There are many stories around the globe from persons that state that Jehovah's Witnesses keep coming back to the households because they, Jehovah's Witnesses, think that their might be someone else in the house that might be interested. Headship and obdience to parents might be in play here, yet Witnesses keep going back again and again.

    Question 2: Why does the Governing Body make the millions in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses break this bible principle of 'if they don't accept the message, then don't go back to them again'?:help:

    Question 3: Is it the intention of the Governing Body to turn families against each other and break both the headship principles and the obdience to parents princples to get around shaking the dust off their feet like Jesus commanded?:sarcastic
     
  7. WitnessofJah

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    The governing body does not "teach" anything unto itself or is "solely responsible" for the doctrines of JW. The governing body are part of community called the "little flock" (which is the membership of the 144,000), and along with the rest of the non-Governing Body anointed ones involved in teaching Bible truth, they are collectively known as the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45).

    P.S. They do not teach anything outside the laws or principles of the Bible. They are 100% in line doctrinally with the Bible.

    Also, the 1st century traditions of Israel is different from today’s 21st century modern society. In Jesus’ time, you could walk into somebody’s household without asking even though you were a stranger and the householder would show customary hospitality. When Jesus said that he was saying that to the disciples who lived in that era – hence saying what he said. We wish we could do the same but the closest we can get is simply knocking on the door. However, this is a trivial issue – the most important is that we preach within our possible circumstances and do the doctrinal obligation that Jesus foretold what would happen (Matt 24:14).



    People change over time. Many Witnesses who are here today never listened the first, second, or third time, but listened later. I, from personal experience, only started thinking after they contacted me several times – and I am extremely grateful for their persistence. The Apostle Paul was not always responsive (and evil killed Christians), but when Jesus manifested himself to him, he changed his ways despite his previous objections to it. Do you see the point? Once an objector does not mean always an objector.



    No. Your observations are flawed. Everlasting life is at stake here and we want to give everybody the opportunity to make the decision for themselves. Remember Moses? He was objected and abandoned (and almost murdered) by his royal adopted family because he wanted to be with his people and protect them. What happened to Moses despite all this? Jehovah blessed him and used him and he went on to become a great prophet and Bible writer. See my point here? Yes, your family might object, but who do you want to please, God or men? Jesus knew the 10 commandments and said himself that "the greatest law of them all was that you love your God with your whole heart". So t3gah, what are your priorities? God or man?


    As far the Governing Body, why do you think they print tens of millions of copies of books promoting complete family happiness and unity if they did'nt mean it? Think about that one. What you say does not reflect reality.
     
  8. SoulTYPE

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    I have a question for t3gah as he is a JW, and that is what this thread is for..

    Why must everything relate to jesus or an incident of the Bible?
     
  9. t3gah

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    In bible times Jesus and the apostle Paul spoke to the Jews in their synagogues. IF I understand correctly, synagogue is just a name for a meeting place, like church, mosque or kingdom hall. One story I heard was that Jehovah's Witnesses don't go to the 'other' religious meeting places because of the 'christ and belial' scripture. Don't mix in company with 'them'. In the case of that point, reasoning from the scriptures in other religious meeting places doesn't seem to be forbidden or not recommended because the examples of Jesus and Paul are there to show that it is OK to go into other religious meeting places. Jews were not Christians and so forth. There's even the scriptures in Acts 18:24-27 where a new person to The Way starts yelling things at the people in a synagogue which Pricilla and Acquilla stop him from doing to explain the correct way to this man. Obviously this scripture is here to show those who will be doing the preaching and teaching that this is the correct way of doing things along with the examples of Jesus and Paul. Not the shouting of course, just the reasoning part. So, through Apollos example we see the public witnessing aspect but this does not nullify the way Jesus and Paul preached because the scriptures don't say otherwise. I also noticed through personal experience that Jehovah's Witnesses will go to market places and other places to perform "informal witnessing", but not churches, mosques or synagogues, so that's why I'm confused.




    [World English Bible]
    John 18:20 Jesus answered him, “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where the Jews always meet. I said nothing in secret.

    Acts 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw the city full of idols. 17:17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who met him.

    Acts 18:24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by race, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus. He was mighty in the Scriptures. 18:25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, although he knew only the baptism of John. 18:26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside, and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

    18:27 When he had determined to pass over into Achaia, the brothers encouraged him, and wrote to the disciples to receive him. When he had come, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; 18:28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews, publicly showing by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.



    Why is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses breaking these bible principles by not telling the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide to enter into other religious organizations meeting places to speak the word of God?

    Has the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses lost their faith in God's powers and the examples left by Jesus, the apostles and disciples?
     
  10. SoulTYPE

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    Witness of Jah, how do JW;s earn a living? They obviously would not get ppaid to preach..
     
  11. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    I was a JW according to the Governing Body's definiton of what a JW is. Not is.

    Jesus was the messiah and the number one example of what to do and what not to do for the world of new christian disciples.

    The bible is a translation of the holy scriptures which is the authority for all Christians.

    WitnessOfJah,

    Please accept my apologies for answering SoulTYPE01's question on your thread.

    t3gah
    With that, WitnessOFJah, please explain who the Governing Body thinks are real Jehovah's Witnesses (Christians), ok?
     
  12. SoulTYPE

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    That's alright t3gah he can answer my other question.
     
  13. WitnessofJah

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    There is nowhere in the Bible that says there is an obligation to go into other religious organizations meeting places in the slightest. Your deduction of "Jesus and Paul going into the Synagogue to preach" is not a fair analysis of the scriptures you quoted. Why? Because Jesus and Paul were Israelites with Jewish backgounds - and therefore had the right to go into their own synagogues! Had Jesus and Paul been foreigners with a non-Jewish background, it would have been most probably have been disrespectful and they would have been thrown out! Christianity had not been fully formed yet, and nor had it's congregations - so that was the option open to them.

    You have to remember that Judaism was still the "true religion" up until Jesus was killed by the Israelites, and Jesus still even called the temple of Jerusalem, the heart of Judaism, as "The house of my Father" (John 2:16). Therefore, while he was alive, he had every right to enter as many Jewish temple's or synagogue's as he pleased to preach "the good news of the kingdom" that his Father had entrusted him to do.

    Did Jesus and Paul go into other places of worship, like the temples of Baal and Molech? Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that they did. If you read much of the Hebrew Scriptures, Jehovah had repeatedly told the Israelites to stay away from the 'high places and temples' which were of pagan worship. To do so would be the equivalent of going into the lions den which is the exact opposite of true worship. Once the earthly representation of God's people, Israel, was put to an end in 70 C.E. and Jewish and Christianity became two seperate entities, the temples and synogogues of Judaism no longer represnted worship to the one true God.

    Apart from all that:

    - It is disrespectful to go invade another persons place of worship to preach - more harm than good would come from it and people would not listen. Tact is key.

    - Speaking to the same person outside their place of worship is key and makes no difference (apart from offence) than speaking to them on the outside on their doorstep.

    No. Examples please....?
     
  14. WitnessofJah

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    JW have regular jobs just like everybody else. We fit our theocratic ministry into our spare time to fulfill Jesus' commandments in which we do for completely free for the love of humankind.

    WitnessofJah
     
  15. SoulTYPE

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    Thank you WOJ. :)
     
  16. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    I have had discussions with JW , about differences in the conceptual viewpoints of JW verses Christians and I am aware that many individuals who have had a spiritual awakening or have been enlightened to some degree tend to immediately associate themselves with the group who profess to be Christians.
    I lost track of how many people I talk to have porfessed to be a christian by mere associated practices or traditional affiliations and upon following up with their confession with challenging questions as to what makes one a christian, the responses are so varied and widespread eg I am baptized , or I have been good, I don't do this or I don't do that, Are'nt we all christians, my father /mother were, I believe etc.etc.

    My point is what makes the JW the true church ,called of God or Christians (followers of Christ) why are many of their doctrines different from one another
    What are the differences JW, compared with Christians that are never fully mentioned when JW minister on the the strEets
     
  17. Firecat89

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    I had some Jehovah's Witnesses at my door, handed me a book which I kept purely for educational purposes, have yet to read through it fully. They told me I should watch the Passion of the Christ movie, and as they put it, it was um... "Very enjoyable." Well gee I like to see that they appreciate the torture of their martyr.

    SORRY

    Just they baffle me.
     
  18. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT

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    They told you to watch passion of Christ..why might i ask?
     
  19. michel

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    maybe to understand this ?

    http://our.homewithgod.com/messiahbcphils/Sermons/sermon25.html

    I- THE PROPHECY OF THE SUFFERING OF CHRIST

    In Isaiah 52:13-15 and Isaiah 53 the Scriptures is very accurate, solid and definite in regards to Christ's appearance, experience, feelings, and intense sufferings because of crucifixion that will be fulfilled in the New Testament. Also, in many other prophetical books in the Old testament the prophecy of His death, burial, and resurrection was clearly mentioned.

    Even our Lord himself during his earthly ministry preach that prophetical message regarding His suffering in Jerusalem.- Matthew 16:21

    His death is not incidental neither accidental. It was fulfilled in the Scriptures that was planned before the foundation of the world.


    II- THE PURPOSE OF THE SUFFERING OF CHRIST

    The Bible makes it clear to us while Jesus Christ suffered for the sins of the world and that is TO BRING US TO GOD.- I Peter 3:18

    Christ's says "..no man cometh unto the Father but by me"- John 14:6

    Therefore Christ suffering has the reconciliation purpose between God and man.- Romans 5:9-10

     
  20. Bangbang

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    The Bible has opinions?
     
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