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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by MyM, Jan 4, 2022.

  1. KWED

    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    To be fair, this phenomenon seems not uncommon with English speaking converts. Watch videos of people like Tim Humble and Abdulraheem Green. Despite being white British, they sound like they are from the Middle East and English is a second language. Obviously an affectation, but odd nonetheless.
     
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  2. KWED

    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    I debate religion online. Sometimes with Muslims, Sometimes Christians, recently with Baha'i quite a lot. The people I debate with are more than welcome to present counter arguments, in fact I welcome it. Is this what you mean by "conflict"?
    Unfortunately, those counter arguments are rarely rational or reasonable, and are almost never supported by any kind of evidence.

    Now, I appreciate that those on the opposite side of the debate from me (and others like me) feel like their beliefs are being threatened and attacked, but that is only because they sense the lack of evidential or rational support for their position so fall back on dogma and claims of offence, etc.
     
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  3. Seeker of White Light

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    I do not feel any threats from you ;) i have my belief and I follow it no matter what you say.
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    You claimed that I wanted to create conflict. I was just explaining why you might feel that way.

    That's not very open-minded nor rational, is it?
    If you presented verifiable evidence and convincing argument, I would change my position.
    Interesting how often religionists state (without a hint of irony) that nothing would ever change their mind, yet accuse atheists of being close-minded. :tearsofjoy:
     
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    Oh my understanding and mind change often within sufism when I realise something new.
    I just dont take spiritual teaching from a non-believer
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    I'm not providing "spiritual teaching". :confused:
     
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    So why do you keep telling "what the Quran actually say and mean" ?
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    Pointing out the content of a text is not "spiritual teaching" any more than correcting someone misquoting Einstein is.

    When a Muslim says "Islam forbids killing", how is showing them the verses that permit killing "spiritual teaching"?
    It is just "teaching".
     
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  9. Seeker of White Light

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    Muslim are aware of the teaching, if you look at the Quran, there are verses that are oposit each othe4s many places in the Quran.

    You may be aware that every situation a Muslim face have different answers to them, even neuanses, meanin the teaching is not black and white.

    Every believer must use their head when dealing with daily life. Because every situation is different.
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    Not so. In many circumstances Islam has strict an specific rules that must be followed. There is no place for individuals to use their own judgment in this context. What is haram is haram, for example. A Muslim can't say to themselves, "Well, not eating pork might have been a reasonable precaution in olden times, but with modern livestock farming and slaughter methods and regulations, and efficient transport and storage, there isn't really any need today".

    Similarly, if someone claims that Islam forbids killing, they are simply wrong. It does not. There is no "nuance" or "different answers".

    These things are literally in black and white!
     
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    Its a difference in "you can do it but should not do" and "you do it you die right there and then"

    A Muslim is a human being who can chose to not follow the rules/guidelines, but then they also know that it will have consequences if they do it wrong.

    So no black and white.
     
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    No, they are not.
    That is why we all have different opinions.

    ..take the cutting off of the hand of a thief.
    One Muslim [ or atheist ] could claim that it means that somebody who is caught thieving should immediately have their hand cut off.

    Personally, I see it in an entirely different light.
    It is THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. It remains a legal option.
    ..and such sentencing acts as a deterrence to perpetual criminals.
     
  13. stevecanuck

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    Come to think of it, I have noticed that in some jihadi converts. Since adopting Islam is one giant affectation, it's not a big leap to take on a bit of the cadence.
     
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    Except in case of emergency, can Muslims eat pork? Yes, no, or maybe?
     
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    I think that scholars are unanimous on this.
    Pork should not be eaten, unless one is forced to.

    ..so are you claiming that scholars teach that we should kill our neighbours if they are not Muslims?
    Of course not. From what I've seen of your posts, you just take a few verses from Qur'an and have already made your mind up.
    You want us all to think that the Islamic religion is evil etc.
     
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    It is your misunderstanding of your own knowledge. You say you can say all you want that you have proofs, but they are not proven in creation of the human being. You cannot prove it 100% nope.

    So I guess this is where we draw the line, you go your way, I go mine. I do have a choice because I can prove mine and my proof is the Quran and Mohammad pbuh. You can deny all you want but that is not gonna bother me in the least. :) you keep on sayin it's a myth...I mean wouldn't a common sensible man think, "oh what if she is right?" wouldn't you think it would be the right thing to do is give it a chance...if you don't feel like it because of your sincere hate, at least try and disprove the sciences in the Quran. You might learn something really new :)

     
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    Right. Some things are indeed black and white as KWED says. Also, it shouldn't take "scholars" to tell you that, "forbidden to you is the meat of the swine", means exactly what it says. If fact, it says so four times (2:173, 5:3, 6:145, 16:115). Do you really need "scholars" to figure that out for you?

    I read the Qur'an for instruction. If verse 9:29 (one of the last verses revealed) says to, "Fight those who believe not in God", then I don't see what "scholars" can add. It's pretty clear. Just ask anyone in AQ, ISIS, Al Shabab, etc.
     
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    I see we've reached the comedy portion of the program.
     
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    I see, so you take a verse out of context, and then tell me I should ask a politcal group what whether G-d wants me to kill people?

    Sorry. I'm not that stupid. I can work it out for myself, and if I need help, they would be the LAST people I would ask. :rolleyes:
     
  20. stevecanuck

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    Out of context? Is that all you could come up with? Does it say, "Fight those who believe not in God", or does it not?
     
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