KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Different to what?Yeah, objective and independent to me is different.
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Different to what?Yeah, objective and independent to me is different.
Muhammad ruled an expanding there of influence for several years, including negotiating treaties. He also commanded troops in battle. By definition a political and military leader. Both these things are detailed in the Quran and sunnah.Did you derive that from your only-correct and objective reading of the Quran, or do you make claims to complete accuracy and objectivity outside those Scriptures as well?
Maybe it's being lost in translation, but I keep saying that I am not providing any interpretations nor making any claims to truth.No, you have chosen a certain context to interpret it in. You can do that.
But so can everybody else, so for truth, how do you know, that your choice is true?
I've just realised who you remind me of. That Jan 6 insurrectionist who kept standing up and saying "I do not recognise the legitimacy of this court!" during his trial.How do you know as true, that it is naughty?
Maybe it's being lost in translation, but I keep saying that I am not providing any interpretations nor making any claims to truth.
Hope this helped
Indeed. Which is why I have never made any claim of truth or absolute certainty.Neither of you can. Because you will personally choose one over all other one and thus it is not independent of a choice.
I've just realised who you remind me of. That Jan 6 insurrectionist who kept standing up and saying "I do not recognise the legitimacy of this court!" during his trial.
I have already explained that G-d is a part of each and every ONE of us.Why didn't you bring this up in the discussion about god's part in belief? So you have personal experience of god deciding who believes and who doesn't, even though you insisted that he doesn't do that. That's naughty.
Please point out where I made a claim of absolute truth.Well, you are asking something subjective, so that means there are at least 2 possible ways to choose. How do you independently of your thinking know which one is true?
Indeed. Which is why I have never made any claim of truth or absolute certainty.
Ironically, however, you keep popping up trying to tell other people they are wrong, despite your whole MO being to tell people that their opinion is worthless. Nice work, tbf.
Please point out where I made a claim of absolute truth.
Perhaps you should try any actually read what I am saying before using your one standard, default response.
"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem will look like a nail"
If you wanted Tory party policy explained in an objective and independent manner, would a Tory supporter be the best person to consult?
The problem with such partisan sources is that they have a vested interest in the issue.
I didn't call the sources independent, they are obviously all pro-Islam (though that was pretty obvious). I was referring to my presentation being independent of the need to show Islam to be true (which is how such threads usually operate). I will simply present the source material accurately.So you simply use one possible subjective interpretation method, which is not an interpretation and you call it independent. What is it independent of? And how it is not an interpretation, when you have given the basis for your interpretation up thread?
You said that you read the Quran and it left you unmoved, until god intervened and guided you. Therefore you were unable to believe without god's intervention.I have already explained that G-d is a part of each and every ONE of us.
If there is any "good" in a person, then G-d knows it.
I didn't call the sources independent, they are obviously all pro-Islam (though that was pretty obvious). I was referring to my presentation being independent of the need to show Islam to be true (which is how such threads usually operate). I will simply present the source material accurately.
Look, I think you have exceeded your allotted stage time, flogging your same old dead horse here. You aren't bringing anything to the table (you never do), so WADR, I will not respond to any further posts unless they are actual questions about Islam in the context of this thread.
If you want to go on and on about how we can't know anything, make a thread to that purpose (although what would be the point, because all you ever say in response to anything is "but how do you know you know?" and as you know you can't know anything, why bother posting it in the first place?)
Good luck in your endeavours.
Indeed. So far, every AAI thread I have seen has been from a Muslim trying to present Islam in the most favourable light possible, and in doing so cherry-picking and misrepresenting passages. I am providing the balance that you believe is so important.If I am interested enough in a subject then I want any and all types of sources. It is not a matter of either/or. So that would mean the Quran AND Muslims AND academic/non-partisan sources (or, as you allude to elsewhere regarding Nazism, Mein Kampf). This would give the most rounded view I believe. Regarding your example I very much want to read the Mail Online and talk to Tory supporters. In fact they are my first port of call. (For the avoidance of doubt I have been an active Labour supporter for nigh on 40 years and have a Fire Brigades Union T-shirt signed by Jeremy Corbyn ).
I'm probably mostly agreeing with you. A Muslim is the best source (imo) for seeing what Muslims think/say (dependent on assessment of honesty).However, you said that you considered a Muslim to be the best source for information about Islam. A partisan source with a vested interest in promotion is not the best source.
I'm probably mostly agreeing with you. A Muslim is the best source (imo) for seeing what Muslims think/say (dependent on assessment of honesty).
Yes .. it clearly depends what is in our hearts as to the outcome.You said that you read the Quran and it left you unmoved, until god intervened and guided you.
Don't understand your question. Which passages are you referring to?