Arriving at a Theistic Belief

[ppp]

Wow, you are overtly and categorically incorrigible??? You need evidence to prove whether or not animals kill incessantly and indiscriminately, and without compunction?

Yes.

They eat their prey alive - what part of their constitution do you not understand? And like a pedantic *** you request proof - like I've said to you enough times, open your oblivious eyes!

You are incessantly and indiscriminately, and without compunction claiming that they all do. Which is false.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Belief doesn't require evidence, it has already become.

 

[ppp]

Belief doesn't require evidence, it has already become.

It requires evidence if one's belief is to be rationally justified. If one does not care about such things then evidence is merely a hinderance.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It requires evidence if one's belief is to be rationally justified. If one does not care about such things then evidence is merely a hinderance.

Religious or spiritual belief is often not about this physical world we live in, so the evidence you seeking as a non-believer is not a priority in spiritual seeking, and can not be answered by physical evidence. But the answers arise from by wisdom of the spiritual realm.
And yes it is a belief, not science

 

[Spirit of Light]

It requires evidence if one's belief is to be rationally justified. If one does not care about such things then evidence is merely a hinderance.

Justified to who?

 

[ppp]

Religious or spiritual belief is often not about this physical world we live in, so the evidence you seeking as a non-believer is not a priority in spiritual seeking, and can not be answered by physical evidence. But the answers arise from by wisdom of the spiritual realm.
And yes it is a belief, not science

Define spiritual.

 

[ppp]

Justified to who?

Any random person to whom one claims that one is on a "spiritual" path.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Any random person to whom one claims that one is on a "spiritual" path.

The spiritual path is a "personal journey" no need to justify to anyone

 

[Spirit of Light]

Define spiritual.

One answer is

Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is cosmic or divine in nature.

others may have different answer

 

[ppp]

Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is cosmic or divine in nature.

Is "spiritual" just a symbol that you use for that particular mental state? Or are you saying it is something wholly different from cognition?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is "spiritual" just a symbol that you use for that particular mental state? Or are you saying it is something wholly different from cognition?

It is both actually.
Spiritual contain both an consciousness and an area of understanding one can not realise fully consciousness with ego present

 

[ppp]

piritual contain both an consciousness and an area of understanding one can not realise fully consciousness with ego present

Define the part of "spiritual" that is not cognition, and explain how to determine that it is actually a thing, and not a fiction.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Define the part of "spiritual" that is not cognition, and explain how to determine that it is actually a thing, and not a fiction.

Is spirituality a thing? Can you touch it? It is not a thing and you can not touch it, only experience it.
By that the question you ask can not be answered in words, but must be experienced by each individual person who seek spiritual awakening.

And since no person are at the same level of wisdom the answer I give would only resonate to me, your understanding is totally different and your answer would not resonate with what I say.

So, I can not answer in a way you understand.

 

[ppp]

Is spirituality a thing? Can you touch it? It is not a thing and you can not touch it, only experience it.

There are plenty of things that I can only experience, yet can still identify and discriminate from other things.

So, I can not answer in a way you understand.

Ok. Do you understand?

 

[Spirit of Light]

There are plenty of things that I can only experience, yet can still identify and discriminate from other things.


Ok. Do you understand?

I understand the teaching i follow and practice at the level of wisdom i have realized. So the answers i have is meant for me to solve the next layer of the teaching, thats all there is to it.

 

[ppp]

I understand the teaching i follow and practice at the level of wisdom i have realized. So the answers i have is meant for me to solve the next layer of the teaching, thats all there is to it.

Fair enough. Thanks for the conversation. I am heading to bed.

 

[MonkeyFire]

It requires evidence if one's belief is to be rationally justified. If one does not care about such things then evidence is merely a hinderance.

Belief is already fulfilled.