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Arrival Of Muhammad Is Mentioned 34 Times(2)

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  1. Ron68

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    NOTE 1. All, extracts are from "Holy Bible New International Version" of June 197 8 (as revised in August 1983.)
    NOTE 2. Whenever a name of a prophet comes, Please say “Peace Be Upon Him.”
    HERE ARE THE EXTRACTS :-
    1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when "he" (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
    (b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to "he". "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.
    (c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.
    2. Deuteronomy 18:15:- Moses said "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me (Moses) from among your own brothers, you must listen to him."
    3. Deuteronomy 18: 18-19:- The Lord said to Moses:-l (God) will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put MY (God's) words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I (God) command him “If any one does not listen to MY words that the prophet speaks in MY name, I myself will call him to account.”
    Explanation:- (a) Meaning of brothers-Abraham had two sons, Ismail and his 14 year junior lshaaq. Their descendents were therefore cousin brethren to each other. This prophecy addresses Musa that a prophet will also come from the progeny of Ismail. Hence the use of word brothers.
    (b) Christians try to suggest that this prophecy is for the coming of Jesus. This is wrong. It is neither for Jesus nor for any of over two dozen prophets who came between Moses and Jesus because they all were from the progeny of Ishaaq. Ismail was brother to Ishaaq and Muhammad (Ahmed) came from the progeny of Ismail. Therefore this verse is pointing towards Muhammad.
    (c) You must listen to him i.e. follow him.
    (d) I (God) will put my words in his mouth and he will tell them everything I (God) command.
    Qur'aan was revealed by ALLAH to Muhammad over a period of 23 years. The very first line of all revealed Surahs begin with- "In the name of ALLAH, Most Gracious, Most Merciful." Unlike Bible verses, which are “According to Matthew, or Mark, or Luke or John”, etc. In Qur'aan ALLAH is speaking in first person to his creation-mankind. It is in the name of ALLAH and no one else.
    (e) I (God) MYSELF will call him to account-Each individual will be accountable to ALLAH for his belief and his deeds on the Day of Judgment.
    (f) Christians try to project the names of other prophets i.e. John the Baptist or Jesus but the argument fails because they all i.e. Moses, John the Baptist and Jesus were from the line of Ishaaq. Only Muhammad was from the progeny of Ismail who was the brother to Ishaaq.
    (g) A Prophet like you -i.e. like Moses, and Moses was like Muhammad. Beacuse:-
    (i) Both were born in a normal manner.
    (ii) Both were married and they raised a family.
    (iii) Both became prophets.
    (iv) Both received Divine Revelations-Torah & Qur'aan respectively.
    (v) Both were leaders and rulers of their followers.
    (vi) Both died a natural death.
    (h) On the contrary:-
    (i) Jesus was not born normally
    (ii) Nor his end was in a normal way.
    Therefore Moses is not like Jesus, but Moses is very much like Muhammad. Therefore Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18-19 refer to Muhammad and not to anyone else.
    4. Isaiah 40:11:- He tends his flock like a shepherd.
    Explanation:- Muhammad, as a boy used to go on daily wages as a shepherd to graze other's goats and sheep in the outskirts of Mecca.
    5. Deuteronomy 31:27: - Moses speaks to Jews- "For I (Moses) know how rebellious and stiff necked you are, If you have been rebellious against the Lord while I (Moses) am still alive and with you, how much more will you rebel after I die.
    Explanation:- i.e. the descendants of Moses followers will not obey that Prophet (Muhammad) which is to come from among their brothers because Moses’ followers are rebellious, stiff necked and corrupt people.
    6. Deuteronomy 32:21:- "They made ME (God) jealous by what is 'no god' (false gods) and angered ME (God) with their worthless idols. I will make them envious by those who are not a people. I will make them angry by a notion) that has no understanding."
    Explanation:- (a) "Angered ME with their worthless idols." 360 idols in Khana-e-Kaaba before the advent of Islam angered God.
    (b) "Who are a not a people." "That has no understanding." The reference is to the people of Arabia who were backwards before the advent of Islam.
    (c) Will make them envious and angry by those who are not a people because they will be overtaken by Islam, which will spread from Arabia.
    7. Deuteronomy 33:2:- Moses said- "The Lord came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shown forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the South, from the mountain slopes".
    Explanation:- (a) The reference is to the conquest of Mecca when Prophet Muhammad came with 10,000 of his devout and holy followers.
    (b) Paran is the Biblical name of Mecca.
    (c) Myriad of holy ones means a very vast number of his followers.
    8. Song of Songs 5:10-11: - Prophet Solomon says:- "My lover is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand. His head is purest gold; his hair is wavy and black as a raven... "
    Explanation:- (a) Muhammad's complexion was radiant and ruddy due to outdoor exposure and heat. His hair was black and wavy.
    (b) Figure 10,000 again refers to the conquest of Mecca by Muhammad by about 10,000 of his devout and holy follows. He was outstanding amongst them.
    9. Song of Songs 5:16:- Prophet Solomon says- "His (Muhammad's) mouth is sweetness itself. He is altogether lovely."
    Explanation:- (a) in Hebrew language word "Altogether lovely" is termed as Muhammad in which is the plural of Muhammad. Muhammad is known in heaven as Ahmed. His mouth is sweetness itself. Muhammad was sweet mouthed.
    10. Isaiah 9:6:7:- Prophet Isaiah says: "For us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders and he would be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace, there will be no end.........
    Explanation:- (a) Muhammad P.B.U.H. had the burden of running the government at Madina.
    (b) Muhammad P.B.U.H. is called a wonderful counselor and a Prince of Peace. Word Islam means 'peace' as well as “surrender”.
    (c) Other words are superfluous In Bible 80% of words and passages are continuously added by human authors to mislead a reader towards a different angel. A mere verbosity is there the Bible.
    11. Isaiah2l:7:- "When he sees chariots with teams of horses, riders on donkeys, or riders on camels. Let him be alert, fully alert."
    Explanation:- (a) The rider upon the donkey is Jesus when he entered Jerusalem.
    (b) The rider upon the camel is Muhammad with his companions on horses and camels on his triumphant entry into Mecca.
    12. Isaiah 21:13-17:- A Prophecy against Arabia was made by Prophet Isaiah much before the arrival of Jesus. It says- "An oracle (i.e. Divine Revelation) concerning Arabia. You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia, bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema (Biblical name of Madina) bring food for the fugitives (for the Muhajireens who migrated from Mecca). They flee from the sword, from the drawn sword, from the bent (stretched) bow and from the heat of the battle. This is what the Lord says to me (to Prophet Isaiah): "Within one year, as a servant bound by contract would count it, all the pomp of Kedar will come to an end. The survivors of the bowmen, the warriors of Kedar, will be few. The Lord, the God of Israel, has spoken."
    Explanation:- (a) Muslim believers had to flee from Mecca to Madina due to continuous persecution under the swords and bows of Quraish.
    (b) Quraish tribe was the descendant of Kedar. Kedar was the second son of prophet Ismail who had settled in the hills of Paran, Paran was the biblical name of Mecca.
    (c) Pomp of Kedar will come to an end. Holy Prophet conquered Mecca (Kedar) with 10,000 of his devoted followers. Quraish in the valley of Mecca were subdued.
    13. Isaiah 29:12:- "Or if you give the scroll to someone who can not read, and says, "Read this, please." He will answer,- "I don't know how to read."
    Explanation:- This is exactly what took place in the cave of Hira when Angel Gibreel first came to Muhammad and asked him to recite the very first five verses of Holy Qur'aan Surah Alaq 96:1-5. and Muhammad P.B.U.H. replied, "I don't know how to read."
    14. Isaiah 42:1:- "Here is MY servant, whom I uphold, MY chosen one in whom I delight. I will put My spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations."
    Explanation:- (a) The message of Qur'aan and Islam is exactly the same i.e. to bring justice to all.
    (b) ALLAH is well pleased with Muhammad and he speaks only that what is revealed to him.
    15. Isaiah 42:4:- "He will not falter or will be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth."
    Explanation:- Muhammad did not falter in his mission. He pursued his mission against all odds and persecutions.
     
  2. Ron68

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    16. Isaiah 42:11:- "Let the deserts and its towns raise their voices. Let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela (Siloh=lslam) sing for joy. Let them shout (call to prayer=Azan) from the mountaintops. Let them give glory to the Lord and proclaim his praise (Sala=Namaz) in the islands."
    Explanation:- Kedar was the second son of lsmail who had settled in the valley of Mecca. From Kedar his descendants began to be called Quraish and Prophet Muhammad came from Quraish tribe. He brought justice amongst all. This time ALLAH conferred prophethood on Muhammad who was an Arab. Let the followers of Islam be happy at the arrival of Muhammad. "Let them give a call (Azan) for prayer from the mountain tops and proclaim the Majesty and Glory of ALLAH.
    17. Isaiah 60:1:3: - "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness in over the peoples. But the Lord raises upon you and glory appears over you.
    Explanation:- (a) Muhammad is a light to the world. (Qur'aan Surah Al-Maidah 5:15-16).
    (b) Darkness of the earth will disappear after the arrival of Qur'aan.
    18. Isaiah 60:3-4: - "Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you. All assemble and come to you, your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm."
    Explanation:- (a) Nations and Kingdoms will receive the message of Qur'aan. Then lift your eyes and see that:-
    (b) Muslims from world over-kings, high and low all gather at Masjidal Haraam at Mecca all around the year to pay homage.
    19. Isaiah 60:7:- "All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaloth will serve you; they will be accepted as offerings on my altar and I (ALLAH) will adorn my glorious temple (Khana-e-Kaaba)."
    Explanation:- Reference is to the animal sacrifice during Hajj.
    20. Isaiah 60:11:- "Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, so that men may brine, you the wealth of the nations-their kings led in triumphal procession."
    Explanation:- Gates of Glorious Khana-e-Kaaba at Mecca always remain open 24 hours a day throughout the year, yeas after years for the last 1420 years. Rulers and their men from various nations continuously enter it day and night. People bring goods for trading as well. Circum-ambulance is done around Khanae-Kaaba as a mark of respect in a grand honoured procession called Tawaaf.
    21. Habak-kuk 3:3:- "God came from Teman (Biblical name of Madina), the Holy One (i.e. Prophet Muhammad) from Mount Paran (Biblical name of Mecca) Selah (= Siloh = Islam). His (Muhammad's) -glory covered the heavens and his praise filled the earth. His splendour was like the sunrise -rays flashed from his hand, where his power was hidden."
    Explanation:- (a) Holy One i.e. Prophet Muhammad came from Madina along with 10,000 of his devoted holy man and conquered Mecca. His praise and splendour of Qur'aan and Islam radiated all over the earth. His hand held the powerful message of Qur'aan.
    (b) God came from Teman. It should have read the Holy One came from Teman
    22. Haggai 2:6-7: "This is what the Lord Almighty says: In a little while I will once more shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. I will shake all nations, and the desired of all nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory, says the Lord Almighty."
    Explanation:- (a) Muhammad is the desire of all nations because in the message of Qur'aan which he brought, lies the salvation of mankind.
    (b) I will fill this House with Glory, is Khana-e-Kaaba at Mecca.
    (c) When Haggai 2:6-7 is read with Malachi 3:1 and Deuteronomy 18;15 and 18:18, and Isaiah 21:13-17 one is forced to conclude that all Biblical prophets were professing about the coming of Muhammad who is symbolically called as the Prince of Peace, the desire of all nations, the comforter, the counselor, the helper, the Paracletos, the Paraclete, the spirit of Truth, the Holy One, the Rider on the camel, the light, and the messenger etc.
    23. Malachi 3:1:- "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come, says the Lord Almighty."
    Explanation:- Upto Jesus all Prophets came only from the progeny of Israel. Therefore, as usual the Jews and the Christians were once a(Tain expecting a prophet from the progeny of Israel. But that did not happen. This time ALLAH gave the prophethood to Muhammad who did not belong to the progeny of Israel but to the progeny Prophet Ismail. This time it was different. Muhammad was an Arab. He came to clean up the Khana-e-Kaaba which had 360 idols. He was to prepare the way for the mankind before the Day of Judgment. Muhammad was to abrogate all false religions and all false gods, and was to show a straight way to reach God.
    24. Matthew 21:42-44: - Jesus said to them, - "Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, has become the capstone (corner stone). The Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."
    Explanation:- (a) Arabs were rejected with prophethood for a long time in history. This time they because all too important and Muhammad was appointed by Almighty ALLAH as a prophet. This was also according to Biblical prophecies and revelations. The Royal authority and sceptre (the Royal staff) was taken away from the Israelites and was handed over to the Arab preacher. Muhammad did not speak in his own name. He spoke. "In the name of ALLAH, Most Gracious, Most merciful." He formed a universal religion meant for the entire humanity. He removed all sorts of idol worship and false godhood from Khana-e-Kaaba. He rejected trinity. Instead he brought pure monotheism which is Islam i.e. submission to ALLAH materially and spiritually both.
    (b) Islam is metaphorically spoken as a capstone".
    25. Isaiah 40:3:4:- "A voice of one calling in the desert prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the glory of the Lord will be revealed and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."
    Explanation:- Prophet Isaiah is prophesizing about Muhammad who would rise and call in the desert and valleys of Arabia. His message will be all powerful and all pervading to all mankind of the world, All proud and rough people would become noble and God fearing and all mankind will see it together during Hajj. Prince and pauper will pray together shoulder to shoulder.
    26. Mark 1:2-3:- According to Gospel of Mark it says:- "It is written in Isaiah (the prophet): I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way." "A voice of one calling in the desert. Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him."
    Explanation:- (a) Here the Command of God is to all Prophets who were asked to prepare the way for the coming of the Last Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.
    (b) We know Jerusalem is not a desert. John the Baptist and Jesus both were born in the same year. They were contemporaries. The stay of first was 31 years and of the other was 33 years.
    (c) A voice is calling in the desert of Arabia applies to Muhammad and not to any other Prophet. And Muhammad prayed all his life- "Show me the straight way." Surah Fatiha 1:6.
    27. Mark 1:7-8:- Mark writes about a confession that was made by John the Baptist- And this was his message- "After me will come one more powerful than 1, the thongs (strips) of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with holy spirit."
    Explanation: (a) Here John the Baptist is talking about the coming of a prophet somewhere in future. Some interpret it to mean that it refers to Jesus. No, this is wrong, because Jesus was already there. John the Baptist and Jesus were contemporaries. In fact John the Baptist is talking about the coming of the Last Prophet Muhammad.
    (b) John the Baptist used to baptize with water but Muhammad will baptize you with the colour of ALLAH. See Surah Al-Baqarah 2:138 "And who can give a better hue (colour) than ALLAH."
     
  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    You forgot all the NT scriptures dealing with false prophets! :D
     
  4. Stormygale

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    Mahummad was mentioned sooo often in the Bible, because he was a 'big name' back then. So was Isiah, and Elijah, and everyone else. It doesn't mean we are to go around making up religions for a man just because he carried a reputation in the times of old.
     
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    One question. Why was he never referenced by name throughout the Bible like other major and minor prophets throughout the Old Testament? You seem to be reaching for straws here. :)
     
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    yea, the straw that broke the camels back...to say
     
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    Nor was Jesus mentioned by name in the Old Testament, but the Old Testament prophets foresaw him nonetheless.
     
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    I was referring to the prophets, not a prophecy of the Messiah to come. It was commonplace in the Old testament to reference the descedents of Moses, Abraham and others. If Muhammed was the great prophet some people claim him to be, I would think he would have been given some measure of biblical signifigance by name and deed. :)
     
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    And when he showed up, angels appeared to tell folks about it. That's kind of a clue in that Jesus was the guy.
     
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    I believe that when we chose to be reincarnated, our soul splits into two or three seperate bodies. I also believe that Jesus “Peace Be Upon Him” was the Spirit of Adam reincarnated in order to balance his Karma, I also believe that Muhammad “Peace Be Upon Him” is also the spirit of Adam, and there is probably one more, I thought I had figured out who it was, but I have since forgotten.

    I believe instead of argueing over the differences between the two, we should be compairing them, and their messages.
     
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    To be commissioned to relay such a weighty testament as the Qur'an seems to be very significant in my opinion. The ancestry of Muhammed is insignificant. It's the spirit that counts not the flesh. Jesus says that we will know true prophets by their fruits. Thus, if any of us want to dismiss Muhammed we should dismiss him on the basis of his personal character and the products of his ministry, not petty differences between him and the prophets who came before him.
     
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    :D :D
     
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    For those interested in further research, this is an on-line book by a former Roman Catholic bishop titled:

    Muhammad in the Bible:
    What all Christians and Jews MUST know about the Bible
    http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/

    The book is written by Professor David Benjamin Keldani, a Former Roman Catholic Bishop who provides evidence, both from The Old Testament and The New Testament, which prove that prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is God's last prophet.
     
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    As a Christian, I find that I am unable to compare messages between Muhammad and Jesus and the main stumbling block is my belief that the Christ is the Messiah. Because of that belief, I believe Muhammad is a false prophet and the Qu'ran is just a book of fiction. It would be like comparing the Bible to the Da Vinci Code.

    I am curious though, and I've asked this in a number of threads and have yet to receive a response....

    If the muslims believe they worship the God of Abraham, how can they believe the Tanakh is in error since the Tanakh is the historical perspective of the God of Abraham?
     
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    As i've said before, Muhammeds message, while having a lot of good to say, seems like a step back from Jesus'.
     
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    There is also the possibility that Jesus being the promised Messiah in no way negates the prophethood of Muhammed, that it is only a mistake in interpretation to suggest that Jesus was the "end of the line" so to speak in divine revelation.

    I'm not sure what most Muslims believe is in error about the Tanakh. But I know that seeing as how it's a big set of books that there are some passages that are the word of God or its paraphrasing, and then there are some passages which have been included because of human error.
     
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    What I made reference to was in no way, petty, but a legitimate opinion. I am in no means denying Muhammad's existence, but his signifigance according to biblical scripture. :)
     
  18. Lloyd

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    I think we're completely talking past each other. Which makes me wonder how much anybody on this board really understands what everybody else is saying and intending to demonstrate.

    What do you mean by significance? From the perspective I'm coming from anyone claiming to be a major prophet like Muhammed is of incredible significance whether that be positive or negative. Assuming that his message is genuine then the message of Jesus and the rest of the Bible would only superficially conflict with Muhammed's.
     
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    I am not as familiar with the Qu'ran but does it not state that Jesus is only a prophet? That's not a superficial conflict. The test of a true prophet is that they will always prophesy correctly. If Muhammed has this wrong, then those who believe Jesus is the Messiah cannot accept him as a true prophet.
     
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    What did Jesus prophesy that didn't come true?
     
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