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Armageddon

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by may, Oct 28, 2005.

  1. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    What do you think Armageddon is? A nuclear holocaust.....An environmental disaster........A collision of a celestial body with the earth.........or Devine destruction of the wicked?
     
  2. Malus 12:9

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    A word to define catastrophic conflict :)

    Oh, right, religious sense. The final battle between God and his "forces" against those
    who are "deemed" as evil by God.:rolleyes:
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    You seem to have started again somebody else's thread, making rubbish comments.

    Armageddon is not a fable to many people. One faith at least bases its whole raison d'etre on this concept. Incidentally, as it hasn't happened yet, even you can't claim with certainty it will not

    And no, you can't attack me this time, I am not a Jehovah's Witness, although I did spend almost a year studying with them in the mid 60s. They were really nice people. You should try it. It might take some of your unhappiness away.
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

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    Are you stalking me. :)
    The OP did not ask what it represented to the Jehovah's Witness (or, for that matter, to the preterist). It asked: "What do you think Armageddon is?" I answered the question. Feel free to get back to me when you've improved your reading comprehension. ;)
     
  6. Merlin

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    Then your response that it is a fable, is even less sensible. Armageddon is a possible future event, so where is your evidence that it is a fable. For all you know, it could be coming - maybe tomorrow.
     
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    What do I think Armageddon is?
     
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    It is a spectacular cataclysmic event enacted by a Supreme Being on bad people to show a group of righteous people that nothing the bad people could have ever done could warrant that kind of punishment.
     
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    I tend to go with the nuclear holocaust option.
     
  10. Jayhawker Soule

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    This is why they should teach critical thinking in schools - though even then there will always be under-achievers.
     
  11. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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  12. Fascist Christ

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    A story used to terrorize mankind into submission.
     
  13. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon


    Armageddon refers, generally, to end times or Earth ending catastrophes in various religions and cultures. "Armageddon" also refers to any great loss of life in battle, etc. The word armageddon is derived from Mount (Har in Hebrew) Megiddo, the site of the Battle of Megiddo and other battles.
    Interestingly, the only mention in the Bible was in Revelation 16:16: "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" (KJV). This bible prophecy reference is ambiguous as to whether any event actually takes place here or whether the gathering of armies is only to be seen as a sign. In fact, a gathering of the Roman army occurred at this place as a staging ground for one of their assaults on Jerusalem in AD 67. This is consistent with the preterist interpretation that the events of Revelation 16:17-21 refer to events culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

    The rest of the page talks about how different faiths view it.

    I see that as being one of the 'pit falls' of prophecies; it is so easy to match them up with an event in retrospect.
     
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    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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    For other uses of the term, see fable (disambiguation). In its strict sense a fable is a short story or folk tale embodying a moral, which may be expressed explicitly at the end as a maxim. "Fable" comes from Latin fabula and shares a root with faber, "maker, artificer." Thus, though a fable may be conversational in tone, the understanding from the outset is that it is an invention, a fiction. A fable may be set in verse, though it is usually prose. In its pejorative sense, a fable is a deliberately invented or falsified account.

    A fable often, but not necessarily, makes metaphorical use of an animal as its central character. Medieval French fabliaux might feature Reynard, the fox, a trickster figure, and offer a subtext that was mildly subversive of the feudal order of society. A familiar theme in Slavic fables is an encounter between a wily peasant and the Devil.

    In some usage "fable" has been extended to include stories with mythical or legendary elements. The word fabulous strictly means "pertaining to fables", although in recent decades its metaphorical meanings have been taken to be literal meanings. An author of fables is called a fabulist.

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    Stories of Divine intervention are pretty mythical and/or legendary. Being a myth does not mean that it is useless, or that it has no predictive value or roots in history. It had to have come from somewhere (a person who had a religious experience or simply made it up), and if there is a God, it is not too far fetched to think that He could communicate with humanity.

    I don't think that the book of Revelation ends with a maxim, but it does have distinct moral value. The story is without doubt used as a fable by Christians who try to manipulate others to confess Christ out of fear (eg, the "Left Behind" series). I think that Revelation should be used as it was originally intended - to comfort Christians during times of stress and persecution, and not to manipulate others.

    I do not doubt that Deut. could have been thinking earlier that the story was deliberately invented or falsified - but even so, if it was invented to comfort people, it loses some of its sting for me, but it is still wrong to completely falsify something.
     
  15. Malus 12:9

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    I don't believe in God enough as it is to believe he will set forth a Zyclone-B gas upon the
    earth, which, coincidentally seeks out "unbelievers" :rolleyes:
     
  16. michel

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    I am not saying that the Myth is useless; sure it had to come from somewhere. There is a God, it is not too far fetched that he could communicate with humanity (though he has given no evidence of doing so since), but that is purely conjecture.

    Whoever wanted to use the fable to try to manipulate others to confess Christ out of fear don't sound very Christian to me.............

    What, you are saying that if it was made up, to comfort people, then it is not falsified ?
    If Christianity presents itself in this instance as a crutch, that is tantamount to going half way to admitting that God is man-made, and that religion is indeed "The opiate of the masses". You can't have it both ways you know.;)
     
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    yes i also agree that the word Armageddon has its origin in the hebrew word , Har- magedon, or mountain of megiddo , where in ancient times many battles were fought and it is only mentioned once in the bible, at revelation 16;16

    And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on..... its interesting that those who are gathered together are the kings of the entire inhabited earth revelation 16;14 and it is for the war of the great day of God the Almighty. so this name Armageddon stands as a symbol of a decisive conflict, with only one clear victor. Also in the bible" place " may signify a condition or a situation, in this case the entire world will be united in its opposition to Jehovah Since Armageddon is the war of the great day of God the Almighty , there is nothing that humans can do to pospone it. Jehovah has set an appointed time for that war to start .... it will not be late.... HABAKKUK 2;3

    For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.....................
    only Jehovah is capable of waging a truly just and selective war during which righthearted individuals wherever they may be on earth ,will be preserved... matthew 24;40-41..... revelation 7;9, 10, 13, 14, and only he has the right to impose his sovereignty over all the earth,for it is his creation. revelation 4;11
     
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