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Featured Are you a born sinner? Is anyone?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by We Never Know, Mar 27, 2021.

  1. ElishaElijah

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    Mud isn’t clear and God isn’t saying He is against Prayer or sacrifices. He is saying the sacrifices are worthless because of their sinful lifestyle. Would be the same today if a person receives Christ and continues in sexual immorality, dishonesty, worldly living etc.
     
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    Wrong, I believe all the Bible is the Word of God, not parts of it.
     
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    Going to be a problem if you don’t believe God as a judge:
    ““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
     
  4. cOLTER

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    He is a Judge, your problem is you don't know him as a Loving Father first. So you subscribe to the atonement scheme of substituting an innocent man in your place.
     
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    No, you only believe in the parts that support your theology and ignore the parts that don't by necessity. You just pretend to believe all the Bible.
     
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    Sure I know Him as a loving Father, Judge, Provider, Healer, My Righteousness, My King and Lord. He has adopted me into His family and made me an heir. He has done all this. He has given me His Spirit as a guarantee. His judgement that I deserved was placed on Christ and He gave me His righteousness. If He hasn’t done that for a person then they are still in their sin and the wrath of God rests on that person.
     
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    Like the love someone in a dysfunctional family would have for an abusive Father. What you have is fear and glad-itude for the theory that someone else bore a penalty for sin that you aren't capable of openly admitting.
     
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    Unlike you are showing, I got my theology from what the Holy Spirit teaches me from the whole Bible.
     
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    Wrong brother
     
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    Sorry, I was in a big hurry yesterday when I posted that.

    natasha levchenko said: Although Adam was created to live forever, his sin brought upon him the penalty of death.

    natasha levchenko said: In contrast, Jesus’ death not only removed the blemish of sin but also canceled the death sentence for all who exercise faith in him.


    What I meant when I said "not in the Bible" is that the Bible does not say that Adam's sin brought the penalty of PHYSICAL death and that Jesus' death did not remove any sentence of PHYSICAL death such that we would rise from the grave at a later date and live in a physical body again, after we had died physically. Also, Jesus sacrificed Himself for the sins and inequities of mankind but Jesus knew nothing about any original sin committed by Adam and Eve. That is a Church doctrine that came about from a literal interpretation of the Bible and a misunderstanding of what the story meant. 30: ADAM AND EVE

    Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

    Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

    The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118


    Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS
     
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    I get my theology from Jesus of Nazareth, the author and finisher of my faith before his Gospel was rejected.

    But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
     
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    And you don’t know what Jesus meant by that and put your own meaning on that, Jesus said at the Passover when He instituted the New Covenant in His blood for the remission of sins, which is Jesus’ Gospel. If a person doesn’t receive Jesus as their atonement then they are still in their sin, this will be shown in that Day.
     
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    Jesus turning to them said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck!’ Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us’; and to the hills, ‘Cover us’. For if they do this when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
     
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    Jesus never taught the highlighted part, that was added later.

    You are talking about the 2nd Gospel that emerged after Jesus left. Its the theory that Jesus came to be killed because his Father was incapable of forgiveness until Jesus was sacrificed back to his unjust Father.

    We are forgiven as we forgive others as Jesus originally taught. I know the presence of Father and Son.

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    I believe we all are born sinners but not because we were born but because we carry that over from previous lives. I believe Jesus saves e from my sins because I asked Him to be my Lord and Savior. Not everyone has done that. That doesn't mean left to my own devices that I wouldn't sin. It takes a long time to unlearn sinful ways.
     
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    I believe for you to be a nobody then you must cease to exist and you don't have the power to make that happen.
     
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    I believe that is false. There is no way for Adam to convey sin to other people and that verse is not saying that.
     
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    I heard people say god just ignores sin and forgives everyone like an unjust judge that lets criminals go free. That’s no gospel and not what Jesus taught or why He came. Are you saying your gospel is if you’re guilty of crimes against God, you will be forgiven if you forgive others?
     
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    I don't believe that. An unrepentant person who finally rejects Gods forgiveness and will wont be saved.

    A real injustice is a Judge who would knowingly sentence an innocent person to death to satisfy justice.
     
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    That’s where you missed it, the innocent party is God
    That’s not what He did...He paid the price Himself, that’s the Gospel and what love is.
    “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭15:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”
    ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
     
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