Are These Grounds for Legalizing Pedophilia?

[Alceste]

I am definitely a misanthrope so there you go. I have been strongly interested in abnormal psychology for years and it led me to looking into every form of human weirdness and depravity that you can think of. Some of it I probably shouldn't have bothered with because it's traumatizing, but my curiosity gets the best of me. I just want to know everything about the world we live in, including the horror that is usually hidden from us but is still all around us.

But there are many things that I'll never tell a therapist, even if it pains me. Some things, I just can't really talk about, especially face to face. I think it's okay to keep some sordid aspects of yourself to yourself.



I haven't. I don't have HBO. I'm very poor. Lol. I do watch all the true crime stuff I come across on TV, though.

This is my only comment on your situation:

HBO really needs to get their **** together IMO. If they're going to stick with the "milk our customers for money like cows" business model, they should stop producing shows that are hugely popular with young people, who haven't got any money.

I know what you mean about delving into human depravity. I suffer from the same affliction. I read stuff like this in my spare time:

A Long Way Gone: memoirs of a boy soldier by Ishmael Beah Official Site

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is my only comment on your situation:

HBO really needs to get their **** together IMO. If they're going to stick with the "milk our customers for money like cows" business model, they should stop producing shows that are hugely popular with young people, who haven't got any money.

I know what you mean about delving into human depravity. I suffer from the same affliction. I read stuff like this in my spare time:

A Long Way Gone: memoirs of a boy soldier by Ishmael Beah Official Site

Lol. Yup, I could download it but my hard drive is pretty full from all the pirating I've been doing. Lmao. I would have to delete something. I've been deleting everything except from my porn and music folder. Hahaha. When I get my library card working again (lol), I'll see if they have it on DVD.

That sounds like a good book. At least his story has a happy ending.

I go to sites like Best Gore for graphic human sickness. Funny, I mentioned that on another board and was accused of having ASPD and the person ended up following me around throwing that at me for months. Sometimes I gave too much away on forums. Lol.

 

[Alceste]

Lol. Yup, I could download it but my hard drive is pretty full from all the pirating I've been doing. Lmao. I would have to delete something. I've been deleting everything except from my porn and music folder. Hahaha. When I get my library card working again (lol), I'll see if they have it on DVD.

That sounds like a good book. At least his story has a happy ending.

I go to sites like Best Gore for graphic human sickness. Funny, I mentioned that on another board and was accused of having ASPD and the person ended up following me around throwing that at me for months. Sometimes I gave too much away on forums. Lol.

True Detective is better than most of your porn. Make a sacrifice.

You don't have ASPD, you're just an *** hole. All the best people are ********. Don't worry about it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

True Detective is better than most of your porn. Make a sacrifice.

How do you know it's better than my porn?!

You don't have ASPD, you're just an *** hole. All the best people are ********. Don't worry about it.

Thank you very much. I'm so relieved.

 

[Alceste]

How do you know it's better than my porn?!

Here you go - it's porn for your brain.

[youtube]sOGoX1B6_2k[/youtube]
A Dream and the Monster at the End of It - True Detective [HD] S01E03 ending - Arriving at Reginald - YouTube

 

[Father Heathen]

I do love how you start every post by trying to insult me. Did you know I mark a notch in my debate victory counter every time you do it? True story!

It wasn't intended to be an insult, but rather an observation/evaluation of your statements. While I don't believe that they are, If you feel that my posts are personal attacks, then please report them. Regarding your declarations of victory, I'm reminded of the pigeon that craps on the chessboard, so it means nothing to me. You're a fustilarian, a rampallian, and a naive. There, 3 more notches.

I agree, not all fetishes are equal. To me, wanting somebody to crap in your mouth is actually more repulsive than wanting to engage in a consensual, mutually rewarding sexual relationship with a prepubescent child.

It's a good thing that one's mental maladies aren't gauged or determined by another's revulsion. It's also a good thing that you don't work in the mental health field.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Here you go - it's porn for your brain.

[youtube]sOGoX1B6_2k[/youtube]
A Dream and the Monster at the End of It - True Detective [HD] S01E03 ending - Arriving at Reginald - YouTube

Wow, that was pretty good. I actually agree with much of what he said. My gray matter is satiated.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Question: Have you gone nuts, Sum? What's with the questions? I set up a hypothetical and you treat it as some sort of personal attack. WTF, Dude?

Hey, sorry I was a little harsh, man, all is well and love you all!

I just really can't get behind pedophobia (not saying you are pedophobic, however just the thought of it in mind) as much as I used to. Have a good day!

 

[Alceste]

You're a fustilarian, a rampallian, and a naive. There, 3 more notches.
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Awesome, I am totally killing it today.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This thread is bonkers. Lol.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I do love how you start every post by trying to insult me. Did you know I mark a notch in my debate victory counter every time you do it? True story!

I agree, not all fetishes are equal. To me, wanting somebody to crap in your mouth is actually more repulsive than wanting to engage in a consensual, mutually rewarding sexual relationship with a prepubescent child. But the point I'm making is that as long as it's just thoughts we're talking about, I don't care and I don't need to know.

I suspect my wife would disagree. The nature of people's thoughts, their beliefs and their worldview all form part of how a risk assessment is performed, which looks at their likelihood to harm themselves, and their likelihood to harm others.

She's not in the least part squeamish...she's worked in mental health for 16 years or so, and some of he stuff she has seen...well, she's not squeamish. She currently works with the criminally insane. Fair to say it's not the career choice I'd prefer she made, but it's her choice.

In any case, far apart from whether a person's thoughts are icky, disgusting, or personally repulsive, there are larger considerations, quite practical in nature.

Whilst I don't think people should be censored for their thoughts, their thoughts are indicative of their ability to function within the boundaries of society.

No-one is 'normal', that's not the point. But I would agree with Father Heathen. Not all fantasies are created equal. If you took those who had rape fantasies, and examined the content of them, as opposed to the mere fact of them being 'rape fantasies' it would be more informative as to the nature of the person having the fantasies.

 

[Alceste]

I suspect my wife would disagree. The nature of people's thoughts, their beliefs and their worldview all form part of how a risk assessment is performed, which looks at their likelihood to harm themselves, and their likelihood to harm others.

She's not in the least part squeamish...she's worked in mental health for 16 years or so, and some of he stuff she has seen...well, she's not squeamish. She currently works with the criminally insane. Fair to say it's not the career choice I'd prefer she made, but it's her choice.

In any case, far apart from whether a person's thoughts are icky, disgusting, or personally repulsive, there are larger considerations, quite practical in nature.

Whilst I don't think people should be censored for their thoughts, their thoughts are indicative of their ability to function within the boundaries of society.

No-one is 'normal', that's not the point. But I would agree with Father Heathen. Not all fantasies are created equal. If you took those who had rape fantasies, and examined the content of them, as opposed to the mere fact of them being 'rape fantasies' it would be more informative as to the nature of the person having the fantasies.

I have already agreed that a person's fantasy life tells you something about their psychology. I just haven't agreed that the fantasies of pedophiles tell us uniquely disturbing things about a person's psychology when compared to all other fringe sexual fantasies. Being pooped on is only one example. Something has definitely gone wrong there as well, and IMO it may represent deeper psychological trauma than pedophilia, assuming the fantasy involves non-violent, consensual sex with an enthusiastic partner who happens to be a child.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I have already agreed that a person's fantasy life tells you something about their psychology. I just haven't agreed that the fantasies of pedophiles tell us uniquely disturbing things about a person's psychology when compared to all other fringe sexual fantasies. Being pooped on is only one example. Something has definitely gone wrong there as well, and IMO it may represent deeper psychological trauma than pedophilia, assuming the fantasy involves non-violent, consensual sex with an enthusiastic partner who happens to be a child.

Maybe...I'm not convinced that deeper psychological trauma would be my first concern, though. Honestly, I would be less worried about someone self-harming than I would by someone likely to harm others. A persistent and detailed fantasy involving child sex, and a belief that a child could provide consensual sex, and be an enthusiastic partner would not, in my completely unprofessional and off-the-cuff opinion, be something worth ignoring.

But if your point is that the devil is in the detail, and that most people have fantasies that on the face of things are 'unacceptable', and would be illegal if acted upon, then I concur.

(All opinions here are based on my own bald-arsed guesses, and my Psych Major, which is almost worth the paper it's written on...I didn't get my wife involved in this discussion...she already thinks it's weird I frequent a religious site when I'm an atheist. If I start asking her whether she thinks pedophile fantasies are normal I doubt it's gonna improve her opinion...lol)

 

[Alceste]

Maybe...I'm not convinced that deeper psychological trauma would be my first concern, though. Honestly, I would be less worried about someone self-harming than I would by someone likely to harm others. A persistent and detailed fantasy involving child sex, and a belief that a child could provide consensual sex, and be an enthusiastic partner would not, in my completely unprofessional and off-the-cuff opinion, be something worth ignoring.

But if your point is that the devil is in the detail, and that most people have fantasies that on the face of things are 'unacceptable', and would be illegal if acted upon, then I concur.

(All opinions here are based on my own bald-arsed guesses, and my Psych Major, which is almost worth the paper it's written on...I didn't get my wife involved in this discussion...she already thinks it's weird I frequent a religious site when I'm an atheist. If I start asking her whether she thinks pedophile fantasies are normal I doubt it's gonna improve her opinion...lol)

Lol - you have a point there.

I definitely think it's abnormal, but if the fantasy life is not paired with a belief that a child IRL can consent to sex or any illegal behavior, there's very little harm in it.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I have already agreed that a person's fantasy life tells you something about their psychology. I just haven't agreed that the fantasies of pedophiles tell us uniquely disturbing things about a person's psychology when compared to all other fringe sexual fantasies. Being pooped on is only one example.

I think what I, and others, see as salient is not what disturbing things pedophilia tells us about a person's psychology, but rather that pedophilia is, in itself, a disturbing thing about a person's psychology- just in the practical sense that, all things being equal, someone with a sexual attraction towards a harmful act is probably more likely to commit such an act than someone who has no such disposition. As I said, pedophilia is like other sexual fetishes in that it is just an urge- but it is unlike many sexual fetishes in that it is an urge towards an inherently harmful act.