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Featured Are there Two Creation Events in Genesis?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by jhwatts, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. Windwalker

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    It does? According to who? I tend to see everything has relative value, not absolute value. To the worm, the value of the bird is not so high. To the plant which benefits from the worm, the worm is quite valuable and of high status. To the animals of the planet going extinct through human activities, I'd say our status is quite low. I think they'd be quite happy if we didn't exist at all.
     
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    You must be pretty miserable to have to get your jollies by making fun of others. Try to move past 5th grade thinking, please.
     
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    Which global flood are you referring to?
     
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    Make a thread, take a vote. Who would rather be a bird and who would rather be a worm for a day.
     
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    The story of Noah's Ark.
     
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    So you think "status" has to do with size and the ability to eat another lifeform? Then my friend, a lion has a higher value than you do. If you don't believe me, trying running up to one and telling him you're better than him. Make sure you have someone record you, as we'll need the video to answer that question, since we won't be able to ask you your thoughts after the fact.

    There's a great quote from Jesus challenging our ideas of what is of higher status or not. He actually said that flowers are better than human kings. You know the quote? I think you may need to understand the relative value of things a lot better. Jesus does a good job of pointing out the errors of our ranking things like we do, not just in that quote, but almost everything else he taught. He liked to strip us of our arrogant thoughts about ourselves, seeing everything and everyone else as "lower" than us.
     
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    People have driven lions to near extinction.

    Jesus said In a certain way animals are superior to us because they survive with just the fur on their backs, while people need all kind of things. But Jesus also said he made us a little better than the animals.
     
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    Actually most of the unicorns were destroyed by a flood before Noah's.

    For the record, the unicorns mentioned in the Bible are not the mythical creatures of a horse with a single horn. The ones mentioned in the Bible are not so nice. Numbers 24:8
     
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    Absolute proof that there were indeed unicorns has been provided for us by the Irish Rovers:
     
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    Always wondered what "let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." means or how it's suppose to work. What if god had not given man "dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Would that mean we'd be unable to shoot pheasants, catch fish, or milk cows?

    According to whom, the bird?



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    Which again, speaks to our inferiority. That we would do such a thing says we are only smart enough to be dangerous, but not smart enough to use our brains. So if being stupid and dangerous is a measure of status, then we take the prize above all others.

    Do you have the reference for this?

    Do you have the reference for this also?

    Again however, back to my original statement, the value or worth of something is completely relative to the one assigning it. Nothing has an inherent "status" in an absolute sense, meaning it is absolutely true under all conditions. If you put a bird a foot underneath the dirt, in that case the worm is definitely "higher" than the bird as it can survive whereas the bird will perish.
     
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    That's a good thought. If the fact we can capture and kill something qualifies us as having "dominion" or dominance over them, then I'd say the same thing applies to any predator species, such as lions, and alligators, and birds, and you name it. If it means able to destroy our environment and wipe other species out of existence, then one wonders why God would consider that a gift to the world! Does he hate his creation? "Okay earth, to curse you I shall create man and he shall kill you all, and himself in the process! Hahahahaha!!!!!" Is this what dominion over the earth is all about? I think some Christians believe it is. "The sooner the world is destroyed, the sooner we'll be with Jesus!!! Hahahaha!"
     
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    Can we stay on topic? Unless you have a scriptial based position concerning my post, outside of, the Bible is just fake and therefore doesn't matter, or it's not what I believe and so it doesn't matter; please go away.

    This is forum dedicated to scriptural debates. Can we please keep it that way?
     
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    It's more glorious to be a bird than a worm. More glorious to be an Eagle than a crow. etc.

    They're in there, not sure where though.
     
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    And why should anyone believe that you understand "[t]he real intent of the first chapters of Genesis"?
     
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    See the first post.
    See post #1, #53, and #58.

    The real question is, are these relationships I have shown between verses coincidental or simply by chance. An example would be,

    Genesis 7: (14-15) 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

    Are the distinctions between those "after their kind" and "wherein is the breath of life" getting on the ark from each creation? We see the same language in both Genesis creation accounts.

    Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    The distinction of each creation getting on the ark is significant.

    To answer your question, I have many more Biblical connections to show they are two different creations.
     
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    Not sure since man wasn't supposed to eat the animals. So only since we became evil did we start to feed on the creatures we had dominion over.
     
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    I don't think I'd agree with that. Wouldn't you like to know what it's like to feel the earth surround you, as you "worm" your way through the moist earth, if that were your home, hugged by mother earth? That's something the eagle will never know. I'll bet if it knew what the worm had going on for itself, it might be envious.

    Everything is perspective, my friend.
     
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