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Are there more than ONE plan of Salvation ?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by dan p, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Ronald

    Ronald Well-Known Member

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    Y H V H is the savior, the Lamb of God's blood on our doorposts gives us eternal life, the New Priest/Yeshua benDavid makes intersession on our behalf. But, if you intend on entering the Holy City, Keep the commandments, do the will of God.
     
  2. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    There are several ways to take things out of the Bible. Some are responsible and some are not. The realization that Ephesians, Mark, and Romans are each a different take and treatment of the same story of faith, each told from a different perspective, is necessary in order to exegete responsibly. I don't see that you've accomplished that here.
     
  3. dan p

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    Hi soj , and the majority of Covenant theology and those who hold to a Acts 2 position will never a agree and a Pauline dispensationalist can or can see where I am going and I look at all verses through 2 tim 2;15 and Phil 1:10 , then all else becomes clear and not until then , dan p
     
  4. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You're not making any sense. Try again.
     
  5. dan p

    dan p Member

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    Hi soj , maybe you are not a Covenant Theologian or hold to an Acts 2 position and would engage , and just a few thingd ;

    They blend Law and Grace , is a very short answer , dan p
     
  6. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I don't see how that answers post #22.
     
  7. dan p

    dan p Member

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    Hi soj , so , what bin post @22 do you not understand ??

    Paul used certain words and th gospel writer used a different vocabulary .

    Peter was always pushing the Law , repentance , water baptism .

    Paul was explaining Dispensationalism , like Grace , reconcilaition , justifcation , Body of Christ ,and the Rapture etc etc , dan p
     
  8. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    My point is that they are not individual and particular paradigms for salvation. They are merely different ways of talking about the same process.;)
     
  9. dan p

    dan p Member

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    Hi soj , do you have a verse that Peter and Paul were preaching the same message or that it merely different ways ??

    Bet , you can not !!! dan p
     
  10. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Doesn't matter. The gospel is the gospel. Differences are merely different perspectives of the same thing.
    The "plan of salvation" is no plan at all. It's God's act of love in reconciling humanity to God's self. Different people view that act differently.
     
  11. dan p

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    Hi soj , and God is not the author of confusion , and God is flying by the seat of His pants , I do not think so .

    It is , obivous you can not understand Law and Grace and they are not the same game PLAN ! DAN P
     
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    There are many forms of a universal curriculum, know thyself.
     
  13. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    What's confusing about God's salvific love? Unless you try to overanalyze an infinite concept with a finite mind...:faint:
     
  14. dan p

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    Hi , and where does it say that Gentiles are to be water baptized ??

    John 1:31 , that Baprism was to make Jesus was to be made MANIFESTED to Israel , so where do Gentiles fit in that verse ??

    dan p
     
  15. e.r.m.

    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    It's a fundamental misunderdstanding brought about by Ulrich Zwingli - that baptism and grace are exclusive of eachother. We are saved by the gracious God at baptism. God was gracious to the people in Numbers 21 when God had them physically look at the bronze serpent in order to be healed from the snake bites. God was gracious to Naaman in 2 Kings 5:15 when after he immersed himself in the Jordan 7 times, he was healed of leprosy. And God is gracious to us when he forgives us of our sins at water baptism as he instructed Acts 2:38.

    The divide between grace and baptism arose out of the dualistic philosophy that nothing physical could partake in anything spiritual. Zwingli used this philosophy to call baptism a work, something the Bible never does.
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    Acts 2:39
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    Acts 10:47-48 "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water?... So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ..." (Totally not the Mikveh).
     
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  17. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    I have difficulty with the concept of Salvation.
    To have meaning, it would have to be an exclusive event. Some are saved and some not.
    This has been the understanding of a majority of Christian Churches since it was first defined.

    The more modern concept of "Universal Salvation" is easier to understand, it relies on the fact that God excludes no one from his love, or the opportunity of repentance and forgiveness.

    The two concepts are clearly mutually exclusive.

    Universal Salvation fits far closer to our belief in the love of God, the Teaching of forgiveness by Jesus and the purpose of the Holy spirit in guiding as all to the knowledge and love of God.
     
  18. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Nope. One plan.
     
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    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

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    Would you mind expounding upon that?
     
  20. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    There is only one Plan of Salvation and it is very comprehensive.
     
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