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Featured Are the Rabbinic Jews Unknowingly Rejecting God According to the Texts?

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  1. wizanda

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    Words often don't just have one literal meaning, they have conceptual meanings based on contexts overall.
    The case was already proven, and didn't need to win the argument, just explain it clearly in case anyone is interested before the end of time...

    The messiah doesn't come to win people over at the end, just to warn it is soon, then the fire comes (Luke 17:20-37).
    We can't believe in Christ to be saved; we have to understand this testimony in the Tanakh properly - my curiosity is can it be understood, and why hasn't it been understood properly.
    RF is the largest long running well named Religious Forums; if we Google searched, here would be top, and I've known them now 15 years, so it is an achievement of longevity also.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I don't believe you. You have provided too many false claims ( primarily due to undisciplined language use in your claims ). Why should I believe you now? It's too late to play the 'believe me' card.

    But... Here we go.... I'm happy to review this list and I'll tell you how plausible each one is as you have presented it.

    Weak. The links you are finding require a belief in Christ. If I don't believe in Christ, the links are worthless. Show me one link that is compelling for someone who doesn't already believe? Please. I am begging you with all my might.
    Weak. If 3:14 says what you say it does, It's just one verse. It's irrelevant unless someone cares about who or what God becomes. Guess what... Judaism teaches that everything comes from God. That means literally everything... Everything is what God becomes....

    So... this is again, a weak argument, because the only people who care who God becomes is.... an idolater. Someone who divides God into separate 'things' is an idolater. You can't divide God. God cannot become anything else. It's Avodah Zarah whether you like it or not. Avodah = working/service ( similar to eved H5650 )... Zarah = Other. Dividing God makes an "other". It is prohibited.

    but besides that... lets; say I jump on this train with you. OK. Let's say you converted me, and now I want to see all the things that God becomes. I'm actually kinda curious myself to see how many times these words occur together?

    I bet ( gentlemen's bet ) that I can locate all the connections between God and H1961 without Esword or any of the stuff you're claiming is required. Really all that's required is:

    1) Belief in Christ
    2) A Tanach app
    3) Sefaria.com

    OK... full disclosure, I'll be faking the belief in Christ... But I know I can fake it... I just know it... :cool:

    @wizanda, would you like me to do this? I'l document the process.... and then you can use it to refine your approach.... you should be feeling a twinge of temptation right about now...
    Good for you. BTW: That's not evidence of anything. But it brings up a good point. Again accuracy.

    If you are going to say that you are a Messiah or Yeshua... that carries a lot of meaning which you are just dismissing without full disclosure. I really think you should abandon the whole title Messiah. Use ArchAngel, Shaman, Enlightened Master, whatever. But when you use the titles Messiah and/or Yeshua for yourself... It's not accurate. And without any qualifications. It's a bait and switch. It becomes click-baity, and your message becomes snake-oil.

    If your message was a brand... it's false advertising to call yourself a Messiah, dude. You're missing all the eloquence. You're missing the connection to humanity and to the Jewish people. You're missing **huge** amounts of data that is embedded in the Torah simply by not learning Hebrew and trying to convince people that it's unnecessary. And then the errors... You are not a Messiah. It's obvious.

    but you could be an ArchAngel, a Shaman, an Enlightened Master... sure. Why not? You could be an.... absent minded enlightened master... But still adorable... :)
    Not evidence, but noted. Thanks. Do you still see the dream as significant though? I've had all kinds of dreams. from flying dreams, to vampire dreams. I once had a dream where I was watching someone do surgery on my eyeball. I was literally watching them do the operation as if the anesthesia had worn off.
    Well this isn't evidence either. I mean... if you want me to stop believing in coincidences. and that everything has a reason. I'm already there. That's part is included when I say I'm taking the position of a Torah Observant Jew. Torah Observant Jews do not believe in coincidences in the Torah, either ( but they are not superstitious )

    But anyways... I already agree with you on coincidences and it doesn't help. I still don't believe in Christ, so it's all chaff.
    I need to tell you something. Feeling like everyone is crazy but you... That's a symptom. The import you place on the word "maths"... that's a symptom. The fact that you do not see the ill-logic in your own reasoning... but see it everywhere else... that's a symptom. You need to know this. If you are an enlightened master, or if you are a shaman... there is probably a mental illness which is holding you back from reaching your potential. Even a blind man like me can see the writing on the wall. It seems like you are suffering from a mental illness.

    At several points in our conversation I had an internal debate with myself whether or not it was ethical to proceed with our conversation. I didn't want to make matters worse for you. But I concluded that you had received much harsher criticism from others, so, I continued with the conversation.

    I really think you need to be careful not to sound crazy. OK?, { starting the tough love portion of the post... }

    Can you imagine what it feels like for a regular person to try to read and comprehend what you're talking about? I don't think you do. It actually hurts a little. This is because in order for a person to understand what you are saying, they have to put themselves in your shoes. And putting themselves in your shoes is not a normal place for a person to be. They would have to rearrange their standard approach to scripture and logic and then try to understand what you're saying. That's not easy, bro. If there was ever anyone who's 'ways are not like my ways'... I mean, you've got that.

    But what it means is that, when you deliver your message,you don't put yourself in the audience's frame of mind. You don't act like a Messiah and bring the message to the people. You force people... i mean it... you force people to meet you on your terms and see it using your lens, your software, your 'maths'.

    But that only works if the audience wants you to teach them. IIt only works if they are already Christian. I'm not saying it always works. But it's never never going to be convincing unless they already beleive. A Torah Observant Jew is happy serving God based on the Torah. And so far, your approach is anti-Torah. It splits God into something else, something that can 'become' something else. Not only that, the 'maths' are flawed, hard to follow, missing evidence... like always missing evidence... that you have to add after the fact. And the reader has to decode the relevance, cause you never tell us. It's painful trying to follow your arguments. That's simply not Kosher to hurt people. You must change your delivery so that it doesn't sound crazy.

    Why? because that adds a whole additional layer of discomfort for the audience because, if you're crazy, the audience doesn't know if or when your brain is going to pop. Not only is it painful and uncomfortable to try to make sense of your 'maths', now the audience is legit worried about your personal health and well being.

    Do you see what I mean. Your whole delivery pushes people away. Do you hear me. Please hear me. Your approach is pushing people away. It's not a curse. It's your approach. There's a whole host of better more plausible explanations than a curse. And the louder and more emphatic you become about the curse and your identity as a Messiah... heck even bringing these things up without a perfect flawless argument makes a person sound crazy. OK?

    This really needs to become part of your error checking process: "Does this sound crazy? Can I make it sound less crazy?" And that's in addition to empathizing with your audience and doing as much work as you can to help them understand. I tneeds both. It needs to be easier to understand... OK? Clearer. More words, more explaining. Show the relevance. Show the Hebrew, so no one has to look it up. In **addition** to that... Don't sound crazy. OK. { end of the tough love portion of this post }.
     
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    Weak - Jews don't believe in Hell. And you have now introduced **other** texts.
    Weak - there's a girl in my neighborhood named Zan. Short for Alexandra. She's super smart... Maybe she has intimate knowledge of scripture. Do you see how weak this claim is now? I can probably find 1000 people in the city where I live with the same story as you. The story is: The name is significant, they feel they were endowed with advanced biblical knowledge, ( but can't prove it ), and there life experieces lead them to life of service and ministry.... It's actually super common. What makes you special, and great is all the other stuff besides the Messiah identity. Besides the visions... besides the I-Ching... besides being a channel. All that stuff makes you common. I can proabably find 100 channels here in the city who work the I-Ching. 100. right now. The music, the dancing, the fellowship you offer. That's awesome. Do those things. The other stuff that you think is special and unique... it's actually not.

    OK. Let's say I meet you halfway. And I agree that the curse is affecting "The Jews". What about everyone else? Really no one is accepting your message, not just the Jews. So it really turns into a batch of excuses:

    "The Jews don't accept me cause they're cursed..."
    "This specific unnamed group... they're just stupid, that's why they aren't listening."
    "This group over here... they listened to Paul. They're fake Jews. That's their problem."
    "And then this other unnamed group over here? Oh yeah, they believe in the book of Peter. That's why they aren't listening."

    Do you see... all excuses. And then.... it all gets blamed on "The Jews". The curse of Moses is now effecting everyone. And everyone is blind.

    Look. I went back and read some of your posts form 2004 to see if this is new for you, And back then, you were trying to convince Christians. It just looks like that didn't work. Sour Grapes, it's not the message or the process... it's "the Jews". They're at fault for everyone's blindness. Do you see how silly this seems?

    It seems like you couldn't convince Christians, so instead of adjusting your approach, you skipped over them and said, "I'll take my message to 'The Jews' they're the real problem anyway. Sour Grapes. I didn;t want to convince those other people anyway. The Jews are causing the others not to see." Do you see how this sounds like making an excuse?

    So far, you have still not made a convincing argument to anyone. it doesn't matter if they are Christian, Jew, or Hindu. That means it is probably not a curse. Probably not. But if you want to try to develop a convincing argument. Please do. I am here... I'm happy to read it and critique it.
    No. Not everyone. I know one person who disagrees. Maybe the real problem is...

    You seem to be extremely gullible or easily fooled. Please show the evidence or drop it. At this point, I feel like no matter what subject you bring up it will be poorly researched and easily debunked. { slumps shoulders and shakes head }
    Weak. it requires the NT revelations. Not even all Christians accept Revelations as accurate. But... lets go thru the verses you provided which are at least relevant to a Jewish person:

    Hosea 4:6: Weak. It is missing the word for curse that is used in Duet 28:15: H7045. Nothing is by chance, remember? If Hosea 4:6 was a curse, then H7045 would have been included. H7045 is used 33 times. More than Yeshua. Also, it's not even in the entire book of Hosea. This is another exmaple of poor research. You should have checked the Hebrew.
    Hosea 5:5-6 Weak. Same as above
    Hosea 5:15 Weak. Same as above.
    Isaiah 43:28 Super-Weak. This one has the word "curse" in the english translation, but it is not the same 'curse' as is Duet 28. How do I know? It uses a different word for Curse. H2764. But you didn't check the hebrew did you? You searched for "curse" in english, didn't you? Do you see the flaw in depending on the KJV? The KJV is not what you should be using for this. English is fine to start... but look at the Hebrew. Always go back to the Hebrew. Make it into a mantra. Always go back to the Herbew... Always go back to the Hebrew...

    Also... Isaiah is talking about cursing the Princes.. Hosea 4:6 was talking about cursing the priests. Again... the Hebrew is different. Significantly different. The "Sarim Kodesh" That's holy princes. The KJV looks like it translates it as "princes of the sanctuary". But the word "kodesh" is just "holy". Maybe it's talking about the Priests here and using poetic language. But it's not literal. The KJV probably is using this translation based on Jewish commentary, which you claim is corrupted... so that means... the interpretation/translation of the words you are using ( princes of the sanctuary ) is based on a source which you deny ( Jewish Commentary ). This one is a terrible example. And you should know better to check your work and make sure that the Hebrew letters written in the scroll matches your statements. None of these do that.

    There is no excuse. You have access to the Hebrew on BibleHub, use it.

    Isaiah 65:15 Super Weak again. Same as above. This one uses the word H7621. Wrong Hebrew word, Wiz. You can't make a link unless the words match. You searched for the english word "Curse". That is folly. You have to check the Hebrew. Do you hear me?

    Now... you need to be aware of this. Five verses were provided. None of them are good. None of them have the words you need to make your point. I repeat... The actual words are missing. That is where we are at. You're still not checking the Hebrew after all of this... { Big sigh }



    0 out of 5 is 0% accuracy. The word u need, H7045, is missing from all five verses.
    Yeah right. Go ahead and show the evidence. Please?
     
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    This means YOU are translating. Anytime you translate you are not acting as a Channel, If you have a connection to The Source, you are interfering with the message. The only way to maintain purity is to double check everything against the Hebrew in the scroll. If the Hebrew doesn't match, then you can't use variable substitution. False equivalence, bad math. All your equations will be false.

    Need more proof. A is not B. Done.
    Super weak. Here's the refutation: The Book of Luke is not true. What now?
    Well... you have no way to tell, you're not studying the Tanach. You're studying the KJV. Once you start looking at the Hebrew and matching up the words properly, then maybe it's appropriate to make those judgments.
    But if you can't preach Christianity, then how will any Jews accept that the NT is true. And how can you make your point without the NT?
     
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    Jeremiah 25 gives a record of 70 years in Babylon exile, Daniel 9 cites this... With the Messiah coming at the end of both chapters before the 2nd temple destruction.

    Zechariah 11:3 wailing of the Shepherds, is used from Jeremiah 25:36 where it tells us the Messiah is coming to cut the Leaders off.

    In Zechariah 10:3 the Lord comes to challenge the shepherds, thus in Zechariah 11 we know that is the Messiah challenging the leaders.

    We know the Messiah's name as it has been indicated by previous name references that the Branch of David is Yehoshua, and we know the spirit of salvation is to be placed within him, so Yeshua makes sense being there in concept just from the Tanakh.
    The Pit in the Tanakh is below sheol (Isaiah 14:15), and was therefore clearly Hell by the description; it is almost like the Rabbinic Jews don't believe most of the context in the Bible (Deuteronomy 31:24-29), to go opposite to other religions (Deuteronomy 29:16-18).
    A sacred name in many religions globally, advanced knowledge of metaphysics only angels know (Jacob's Ladder - Genesis 28:12), and knowing things since young about the Bible no one other than Messiah knows... Yes I get just assessing a part of my name, against none of the additional context is a weak equation.
    We're down near Hell according to the world's religious ideas, so of course people are immoral and follow what is corrupted, the world is following the Antichrist's teachings, and we're here before the Great Tribulation, where the Saints are already removed from here(Revelation 6:9-11).
    I do not make excuses or blame; I assign based on logical maths, so everything makes rational sense - blame often removes understanding the whole.
    You're digging a ditch, we're near Hell, you're talking to an archangel, and you're trying to show things wrong you have very little understanding on.

    I was told Yeshua had not gone around making "I Am" statements at 5-6 years old by the Divine(Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8), and at 25 I would show the errors of where his case has been misrepresented.

    I've mainly been showing the arguments of John, Paul, and Simon... Along the way studying, realized Judah is about to be removed from reality by God (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), and that I'm actually the person with the New name of the Messiah (Revelation 3:9-12).

    This is a thread to appeal to Judah before they're removed from reality, for misunderstandings that are fixable, to see if we can prevent it.

    I've also appealed to each religion on the forum, and challenged their beliefs before the end of time as prophesied as well.
    Revelation is literally about me, and I've fulfilled multiple aspects before reading it.
    The KJV assessment of narratives is not a problem; you're detailing each word, yet missing the contexts.

    You're disappointed in our conversation as you've managed to debunk words; whereas I've found some of it childish, and competing with everything to debunk it; an adult conversation relates, and grandparents raise, it started with such potential, yet honestly you're not paying enough attention to what is being discussed in their contexts - sorry.
    We can show how the things prophesied have been fulfilled.
    Christianity is fabricated by Judaism, it is created by the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon).
    The NT is meant to be made up, and the Jews could educate the Gentiles to be righteous; yet to get to this point we need to accept contexts, and stop trying to debunk the Bible.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Ok, well... I'll bow out then.
     
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    Thank you for the conversation; sorry for coming across a bit stroppy, it is frustrations from repeating the same answers, when people are not listening to understand, yet listening to contend.

    Find many down here near Hell keep doing the same things, trying to debunk everything, rather than understand its contexts before the end of their existence - thus it is worrying we can't get through to them.

    Included some of the extra scripture references after, yet find we're not getting anywhere as the mindset isn't right to begin; people are not trying to understand the Tanakh, and that Yeshua (Salvation) is the Chief Corner Stone within its structuring, they think it is still some Christian idea; not realizing the Tanakh says the Messiah sets the world in a Snare (Isaiah 8:14-15, Isaiah 28:13), to catch out the demons (Rephaim), for their removal in one day (Isaiah 17:4-6, Isaiah 28:19).

    What isn't being understood is this conversation was prophesied before the end of time:

    Isaiah 28:11-12 But he will speak to this nation with stammering lips and in another language; (12) to whom he said, “This is the resting place. Give rest to weary;” and “This is the refreshing;” yet they would not hear.

    Thus to be fair, here is its warnings before the Harvest takes place:

    Isaiah 28:22 Now therefore don’t be scoffers, lest your bonds be made strong; for I have heard a decree of destruction from the Lord, Yahweh of Armies, on the whole earth.


    Again thank you for asking the questions, you've been a great help in developing this topic for others.

    Unconditional love, and peace be with you! :purpleheart:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Are you aware of your speaking with your self? Or do you experience someone else in your answers to your own posts?
     
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    Interesting question; as a Buddhist I take it you don't mean 'Self', as in our self is actually the Source of reality playing out existence with its self, as all the characters in its own story.

    The reply is partially to the equations of dybmh's mind, and partially to the other religious groups who might read it.

    My dream is for billions of people to read it, and the Anti-Christ to be dissolved by its self; yet the Matrix has become corrupted at a root level, and thus what is prophesied is people will go opposite, and mankind ends - then we keep the enlightened saints (Daniel 12:10).

    Am I really only speaking with my self, as only I have actually put the study in to understand some of this stuff for others benefits?

    Maybe, yet always ever hopeful people can learn; otherwise why have the religious texts in the first place, and then just destroy them for not understanding the morality.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Ok instead of calling it self, Call it your mind or consciousness,
    In your understanding, is everyone who does not agree with your view or understanding antichrist? Even for those who not follow Christian teaching?
     
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    There is precise objective equations to show where John, Paul, and Simon contradict Yeshua, and were already prophesied as the specific Anti-Christ's teachings in the Bible.

    People are not wise enough to understand it; so God sent me from Heaven to help.
    This question shouldn't exist, we've already talked about Christianity being Anti-Christ's teachings repeatedly...

    Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels stands against Pharisaic Judaism, and Christianity was established by the Pharisees.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    This questions SHOULD Be asked and should exist, because of people like you, who claim to be something they clearly are not. You speak about wisdom and how people do not see, But it is actually you who do not see the truth.
     
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    The topic of who is the Anti-Christ's teachings is defined by specific entries in the Bible, it is laid out by criteria in the religious texts; the only way to understand this topic is to study it, this is something you've said you're not interested in, so why assume you can then know if I'm who I say I am, if you're not interested in studying it. :confused:

    Maybe actually question the removing negativity first, before attacking others over your own ego issues.

    I'm here trying to explain the religious texts in a fair debate before the end of time, you can believe what you wish; this is my understanding, and my own religious rights, that we can show I'm the fulfilment of Messianic prophecy in many religions - if you have evidence to show it is flawed, I'd examine it all, as I strive for logical consistency.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    These questions I ask have nothing to do with ego (All I want is that people does not fall for false teaching). The reason the questions get asked in the first place is to establish that your wisdom is not of what Messiah would have, and if you want evidence we must take a look at every OP or answers you made in this forum. Because you do not explain by your own words anything that has to do with the truth. Either you recite some texts in a spiritual book, Bible, Hindu texts, Buddhist texts, Quran, and on, or you make some mathematical answers that are not a way messiah were teaching, it is something that was invented later on. But if you were the true Messiah as in the bible, you would stick to the teaching of the Christian God, and speak to the Christian people. But the reason I am sure you are a false Messiah is that you mix the teachings from different paths, and claim this is the right way to understand spiritual teachings.

    The question the become. Why did not Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad mix everything together like the way you do? And I answer for you. Because they have specific teaching so each person who follows their teaching could enlighten to it, and be saved.
    Your way of speaking does not save anyone (something the true Messiah can do and have done in the past)

    Technically what you say is that every spiritual teacher before you have been wrong, and their teachings should not be followed as a single teaching, But when you mix them together, then they become the truth. And that is a clue /evidence you are false Messiah.
    Another clue/ evidence that you can not be a true Messiah is because you speak unclearly and have not your own teaching that will fit the people of today. (except for mixing every spiritual teaching together to something smudgy)
     
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    Christianity contradicts Christ at a fundamental level on purpose, the Gospel of John is part of an IQ morality test; where we have a series of patterns and a random pattern at the end that doesn't match the sequence.

    Paul deliberately made up his texts to mislead the Gentiles, and the Quran confirms this has happened.

    Yehoshua/Yeshua prophesied Simon was a stone of stumbling (peter) - Zechariah 3:9.
    Since you clearly have very little understanding on these topics; really it is only arrogance that could allow you to assume you know more.
    They did mix everything: Muhammad taught not to make distinctions among the texts:

    2:285 The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

    4:150-151 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

    Revelation 10:11 They told me, “You must prophesy again over many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.”


    Yeshua said to the Roman centurion he'd be in the Messianic Kingdom, whereas the Pharisaic Jews would be removed (Matthew 8:5-13); Christianity is Pharisaic.

    The Source of reality is one, and speaks the same universal language of music; each religion is just our different languages of the same understandings - if you tried reading them you'd see this.

    Buddha didn't disrespect Hindu understanding, he built on its merits, and the same for all the spiritual teachers of Oneness - it is illogical to oppose wisdom, and the opposite of enlightenment.
    Actually that is a clue I'm logical and using a scientific method for correlation of the ideas.

    Plus if we understood prophecy globally as already posted; Kalki the rider on the white horse of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Revelation, is the same being with my name, who comes debating all the worlds religions.

    3:26 By the influence of this horse and parrot, the people of the world will know You (Kalki) as a learned scholar of all scriptures who is a master of the art of releasing arrows, and thus the conqueror of all.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    None of what you said in this answer is true. I am finished discussing with you because all you do is disinformation and falsify spiritual teaching.
     
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