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Featured Are the Rabbinic Jews Unknowingly Rejecting God According to the Texts?

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  1. wizanda

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    Many texts around the world suggest the reason the Final Battle will happen, is because the Rabbinic Jews are going opposite; yet when we look at what Judaism follows, and what they expect do they actually realize this or are they just arguing against the rest?

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    Lets start with Moses who said that future generations of our people would reject his Curse, and face the opposite direction as they're argumentative, and didn't listen to him either (Deuteronomy 31:24-29).

    With careful analysis we can show that what was prophesied is David will come as Yehoshua/Yeshua (Psalms 89:19-21 = Isaiah 52:13-14), he will be murdered by Judah (Psalms 22:12-18 = Isaiah 53) divorcing them (Zechariah 11), and placing the Curse of Moses on our people (Deuteronomy 28).

    After the Curse is placed at the 2nd Temple Destruction (Zechariah 11), the self appointed Shepherds (Rabbinic Judaism) put themselves over the flock until the Messiah comes (Zechariah 11:15-17, Ezekiel 34); these Blinded Guides (Zechariah 12:4 = Deuteronomy 28:28-29) have taught our people to Wax Fat, to have become deafened to the prophets explanations of Yeshua (H3444 - Deuteronomy 32:15).

    The Quran then confirms that they've rejected their Messiah, David and Yeshua (5:78), and the Curse was placed on them for their rejection of it (5:13).

    Where instead of the Jews as a whole teaching the Gentiles about the Curse (Deuteronomy 28); the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon) have overwritten it, instead teaching the Gentiles that they have Grace by the Death of the Corner Stone.

    Now the problem with all of this according to the books is Armageddon is happening because of this argument, where Judah will cause an affray in Zechariah 12:6; the Quran is blaming the Jews for purposely misrepresenting prophecy, and causing this, yet I'm wondering do the Jews even realize they've misunderstood it?

    5.64 And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

    The Fire that comes in Deuteronomy 29:19-27, Isaiah 34, Quran 39:69, 21:39-40 is an aura of Holiness; where only those unconditionally loving, and wise enough can stand in the Source's presence...

    Which means this argument is ridiculous, most of the religious tribes arguing their book is better than the rest, don't read that they're all saying their destruction happens because of a big war over misunderstandings.

    It is like two children Ishmael and Isaac fighting over a Coat of Many Colours; when the Source could give everyone a Coat, if they didn't try to kill each other over who is right.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    61.6 "And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic."

    If you mean whether today's Jews know it, it is one thing. But the Qur'an gives me the impression the leaders of the Jews of the time of the Prophet saws knew that islam is the truth. They knew the Prophet Muhammad saws made good arguments that fit the Scripture of the Jews. They didn't like it, for one at least, because the prophet they had expected wasn't of their people.
     
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    If Muhammad only summarized what he understood in the Quran, we can see why the Jews didn't accept it:

    Listen to the Jews in these modern times, and the reason why they do not accept Yeshua as King David their Messiah, is because Christianity makes 'jesus' some idol they can't stand.

    Though Muhammad states that they've turn the Messiah into an idol, the Rabbinic Jews do not hold themselves responsible for the the Pharisaic doctrine that created Christianity.

    Thus Muhammad doesn't debunk the argument from the Bible, he says wait for the Messiah to come and fix it; which is pretty much how it has remained until now.

    Yeshua is prophesied as King David and with careful exegesis this can be shown:

    Psalms 89:19-21 Then you spoke in vision to your saints, and said, “I have given strength to the warrior. I have exalted a young man from the people. (20) I have found David, my servant. I have anointed him with my holy oil, (21) with whom my hand shall be established. My arm will also strengthen him.

    Isaiah 52:13-14 Behold, my servant will deal wisely. He will be exalted and lifted up, and will be very high. Just as many were astonished by him, for I anointed him more than others appearance, and his form more than a son of man.


    Muhammad also though understanding that the Divine Council exists, doesn't actually make clear in his definitions that there is the Divine Council as the beings who have interacted with mankind, and then Allah (Source) above them.

    38:69 I had no knowledge of the Heavenly Beings when they were debating (about the creation of ’Ādam).

    37:8 They cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side.

    42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.


    The Rabbinic Jews do not know Muhammad was trying to correct their theology, and prophetic alignment referenced from their Biblical texts, otherwise we wouldn't have this issue still.

    The idea the Rabbinic Jews don't accept the New Testament or Quran proves this.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I'm not rejecting God at all, either knowingly or unknowingly.
     
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    Christians didn't 'make' Christianity, the Jews did. It started among the Jews and was established by the Jews. And then they sourced their own scriptures in the Tanakh to make the case that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. What's more, a divine descendant of King David (the 'branch' - Messiah) was prophesied as God in their own scriptures (Jeremiah 23:5-6). That guts the idol theory.

    In addition, there's only two places in the Tanakh that foretell when the Messiah would appear in history (Genesis 49:10; Daniel 9:25-26 - see links below), and both come to fruition in the 1st century - the time of Christ.

    Genesis 49:10 - Until Shiloh Comes

    Daniel chapter 9 - DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS PROPHECY

    Finally, it's not surprising that the majority of Jews rebelled against Jesus. They also rebelled against God numerous times in the Old Testament and even killed their own prophets, so why should anyone expect a welcoming committee for the Messiah? They even rebelled against God by the time of 70 AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. Why do I say they rebelled at that time? For one thing they rejected their Messiah. For another, God promised that if they obeyed God, he would send their enemies fleeing seven ways (Deuteronomy 28:25 - the curses of disobedience). They obviously must have been disobedient before God.
     
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    That is nice you think that, yet most likely we can show where you do...

    Since I've already discussed with you as me being King David your Messiah where you contradict the Tanakh, that you don't think you need to accept the Salvation of God in the Tanakh (yeshua - Deuteronomy 32:15).

    Next you don't accept that when the Curse of Moses (Deuteronomy 28) was placed (Zechariah 11), this nullified both the Abrahamic, and Sinai covenant...

    Since you've declared in the past the Jews are always chosen, not realizing if we do not accept the Curse (Deuteronomy 28), and afflictions the Lord has put on us, we receive double for going against it (Deuteronomy 29:19-27).

    As for the point of rejecting El (H410), and not knowing Eloh (H433) is the same, thing this is a very item specific terminology (Deuteronomy 32:17-18), and since Rabbinic Judaism currently has this wrong, you can not declare to be a Jew and say you accept the Bible - God made it this way on purpose (Isaiah 65:15).

    Don't worry we can't be Muhammadan, Christian, Baha'i, Mormon, Messianic, etc... People have to be a Servant of God, and be humble enough to accept all the texts globally.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    That's ok, I'll stick with what I wrote in Post # 5
     
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    These were the children of Israel: we can look at it multiple ways spoiled children who are stamping their feet, pretending not to be listening, children pushed out and made to feel excluded have become rebellious and stiff neck, etc...

    Yet what if it is children who didn't understand the punishment, were just trying to be loved, yet went the wrong way because of it; I've spent years now discussing with Rabbinic Jews online, and realized they don't actually understand the texts, they just like to act as if they're smart.

    From the time of Zechariah 11:15-17 the idolatrous shepherds who have been over the flock, have caused our people to Wax Fat...

    Where Rabbinic thinking is about the Rabbi's own interpretations; the Bible was about God's prophets, and Messiah's explaining directly first hand...

    This establishes that from after the 2nd temple destruction according to Zechariah 11's timeline, when the Curse of Moses was placed (Deuteronomy 28) the Rabbi have been over the Flock (Zechariah 11:15-17) until Ezekiel 34, when God corrects the leadership, and appoints King David as Messiah, because he suffered Isaiah 53 as Yehoshua (Isaiah 52:10), and then comes back as King Zion (Isaiah 52:7).

    The reason there will be a welcome, is because 'our warfare is accomplished' (Isaiah 40:2), if King Zion is accepted with this Good News now (Isaiah 40:9), we can literally create world peace by uniting the religions under one Banner on Religious Forums.

    Will post this now, and then get back to the other details of your posts...

    In my opinion.
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    Christianity was first established in Antioch to Paul, and Simon the stone (peter's) ministry (Acts 11:25-26), it was against the more Jewish Ebionites the followers of Yeshua (Zechariah 11:11), who did not accept human sacrifice.
    John, Paul, and Simon made a very poor attempted exegetically portraying what the Tanakh showed.

    Simon like a Stone of Stumbling (peter) only showed what man told him, so he understood the Chief Corner Stone from Yeshua's explanations; yet the additional understanding of how that came about is missed from our religious architecture, so the whole thing falls over from bad construction.

    Understanding Salvation (H3444) within the Tanakh, and not finding some man is where the Servant Songs were already explained as Yehoshua:

    H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) + Isaiah 33:2-6, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 51:6-8

    H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

    H3091 (Yehoshua) + H1961 (To become) = Deuteronomy 31:23, Zechariah 3:3

    H3091 (Yehoshua) + H7200 (To See) = Deuteronomy 3:28, Zechariah 3:1

    After studying those, and if you don't understand how Yeshua/Yehoshua was prophesied in advanced detail, please ask. :)
    Genesis 49:10 says about the peace of the Lord coming, in Genesis 49:18 it says 'we wait on your salvation (Yeshua H3444)'.

    That is a promise of the Messianic age coming in Genesis; Psalms 89:19-21 appoints David as the Arm of the Lord, and the Messiah (anointed vessel for God).

    This is paraphrased in multiple places in Isaiah 52:13-14, where the Spirit of Salvation (Yeshuat Eloheinu) Isaiah 52:10 is put into a holy vessel (Isaiah 52:11).

    There is a typo in Isaiah 52:14 where there is an additional yod on the word blemished in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which makes it clearly anointed instead.
    They didn't understand certain aspects:

    Yehoshua/Yeshua being prophesied, and now they really struggle as the name is changed to jesus, which makes it become something idolatrous, as they don't see the prophetic lines.

    El (H410) is not the same as Eloh (H433), and so when Yeshua says Eli Eli (My God, My God), some thought he was praying for Elijah (Matthew 27:46-47), which shows the language was a mess...

    El is the Source, add a H and it makes it something breathed by the Source, so a Divine Being (Eloh).

    They thought when Yeshua explained he was Yeshua Elohim of Psalms 98:3, that he was claiming himself to be God due to a bad translation; so they tied King David to the alter table, and slaughtered him, not realizing he prophesied the Lions of Judah would tear him to pieces.

    Thus it was all meant to happen, they had no choice in it, and ultimately God the Source of reality, will do as it has prophesied.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    From a purely mathmatic perspective; would it be possible to show your work for this ^^ ?

    How did you arrive at these equivalencies?
     
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    Strongs is a Biblical indexing system, we can use it to correlate all entries of a specific language field within the Bible.

    Esword Bible Software is one of the best systems in terms of functionality, due to we can search multiple specific fields in languages or by Strongs numbers; we can then correlate understanding from the texts it supplies.

    With Esword with the KJV concordance, KJV+, HebrewOT+, GreekABP+ we can cross reference language data, and assess through Strongs acting as a indexing system, to correlate all dictionary references.

    So on searching specific Strongs numbers in Esword, we can show objectively the most advanced parts of the Bible for everyone.

    The system above came from realizing Yeshua said in Luke 24:44, that Moses, David spoke of him, I'm like where? Since the Gospel of John is fraudulent on purpose, it says they 'search the scriptures for salvation', so I'm like what if I search for that in English 'salvation', as it is Yeshua's name, which gives Strongs reference number H3444, and then we adapt that search to cover possible fields.

    We can show so much data of sacred contexts, that have been completely missed by the changing of the name into 'jesus', and lots of this can be objectively shown by Strongs reference numbers, with any Bible software capable of doing the searches to see the data.

    On an Android phone I know MySword also works to do a KJV+ search by Strongs numbers.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The first two batches of verses could be prophetic; or they could be talking about salvation literally.

    But you lost me when you brought Joshua into the discussion. What's the connection?
     
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    Moses called his friend Hosea son of Nun, Yehoshua, adding a yod, which changes the meaning to Shall + Deliver/Savoir, and the 'Lord Saves'.

    So when the Lord said he would put his title on his messenger in Exodus 23:20-23, Yehoshua led the people into the promised land, and started the process of removing fake religions from the land (Joshua 3:10).

    After the Babylonian Exile Yehoshua son of Yehozadek led them back, and rebuilt the 2nd temple.

    When Yehoshua son of Joseph came with knowledge that 'Shall Save his people' (Matthew 1:21), that is what the name means, and shows where nothing happened by chance.

    So Deuteronomy is about Yehosha son of Nun, and the prophetic naming.

    Zechariah 3 has that Yehoshua named Simon the stone (peter), that the 7 eyes have gone out as a deception, and is removed in a day (Zechariah 3:9), on that day Jerusalem (Place of Peace) is a brand plucked out of the fire (Zechariah 3:1-2).

    Yehoshua will then be anointed as Messiah (Zechariah 3:3-5), and the world will have peace like never before (Zechariah 3:10), where we will all sit under the Vine (Israel - Reign with God) and Fig (Judah - Praise Lord).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I'm not seeing the part where Yehoshua is anointed as Messiah?
     
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    The coronation taking place in Zechariah 3:3-5 implies anointing...

    The King becomes Messiah when he is Anointed before the Crown is placed.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    This part would need a lot more support to be convincing for me. Can you make your point without the link to Joshua?
     
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    However, it doesn't appear to allow searching in Hebrew...
     
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    Jews didn't believe that Jesus was God. The Jewish believers thought Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of man/God. The idea that Jesus was God came much later in the second century Gentile church, which generally speaking ran with Modalism -- we know this because bishops like Tertullian argued against it.

    This verse talks about a time when all Israel will be gathered. All Israel was not gathered at the time of Jesus.
     
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    In Zechariah 3:3-5 and Isaiah 62:1-3 is the coronation of the Messiah where he is crowned; the name in Isaiah is cryptically Zion, and in Zechariah it is Yehoshua.

    The coronation system mentions anointing (2 Kings 11:12, 2 Chronicles 23:11); yet not sure anyone understands that the Holy Anointing Oil needs to contain cannabis to be made properly (Exodus 30:23-25).

    Therefore David became Yehoshua became Zion, and we're all one being trying to help mankind, as God is one Source creating all of this as metaphors.

    An example of that lineage can be found in reverse in Isaiah 52:13-14 = Psalms 89:19-21 is David being anointed to be Yehoshua, with the Spirit of Salvation put into him at Isaiah 52:10, in Isaiah 52:7 this is now me with the spirit of the Lord upon me, where it says there will be no longer Uncircumcised in the land (Isaiah 52:1), with the symbolic name Sandalphon, which metaphorically means the Circumciser Archangel.

    Thank you for asking these specific questions, as it has helped the Source of reality to guide us to some of the advanced knowledge.
    With a Hebrew Old Testament + and Hebrew Old Testament; we can search single letters without any vowels, to completely test the Ancient Hebrew language functionalities.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Paul the Pharisee infiltrator declared Christ to be the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15).

    Simon the Pharisee stone of stumbling before Yeshua also continued a ministry of faith in 'jesus' (Mark 11:20-22, Matthew 16:23), not in Yeshua (H3444 - the Salvation from God).

    The made up Gospel of John has to be recorded by the Sanhedrin, and was used to defame Yeshua, thinking they could make him into someone claiming to be an idol ('jesus'), that the Jewish people would then reject; yet in doing so they've been destroying themselves in the process.

    So literally we can show legally that the Rabbinic Jews made up 'jesus' to counteract Yeshua, and in the process are the authors of their own confusion - as prophesied.
    The Jews knew his name was Yehoshua, and that there are on going prophecies; the poor of the flock, the Ebionites (poor ones) are found in Zechariah 11:11 before the Second Temple destruction, understanding it was being fulfilled, yet helpless as their religious leaders slaughtered their Messiah.

    The idolatrous shepherds continue in Zechariah 11:15-17, where they maintain control over the flock during the Exile among the Nations, until the coming of the Messiah in Ezekiel 34.

    Therefore Yeshua was not going around saying he was the Messiah two thousand years ago, he told his disciples that the things of the Messianic Age were to come; it is outsiders who later taught the Messianic Age had come early, which then becomes the Abomination of Desolation by its declarations.

    The idea of Son of God, is due to Elohim (Divine Council) in ancient times being seen as the Son's of El.

    If we look at it in mathematical code the Source is the parent of the object it presents (Monotheism), yet technically sons has confused the maths (Polytheism, Henotheism, etc).

    Scripturally in Malachi 1:6 EL asks where is our honour to it as Father, if Elohim be the Sons; as the Priests since the Babylonian Exile have confused Elohim with El, and no longer know the differences...

    The Lord, and Elijah come in Malachi 4:4-6 to place the Curse of Moses, if Elijah, and the Lord can't correct them to the God Most High (El Elyon).

    Yeshua/Yahavah Elohim's parent is the Source (El)...All of our parent is the Source (El)... We are all Elohim (Psalms 82:6).
    The Bible is a series of promises to our people, this is one of the early ones, that the Messianic Age will come; if we disrespect the parts, we don't make a jigsaw puzzle at the end, and we get nothing.

    As just explaining: Genesis 49:10 says about the peace of the Lord coming, in Genesis 49:18 it says 'we wait on your salvation (Yeshua H3444)'.

    Considering it says that the Spirit of Salvation (Teshuvah) is placed into Zion (Isaiah 46:13), you'd think people would be paying more attention to our every word, as the return of King David, Yehoshua, Zion Elohim.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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