are the Koran the word of God????Call for dialogue

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The Koran was the writing of a man. Islam, like Christianity and so many others, is a religion made up by men, for men. There is no divinity behind it.

Yes, God did not write anything
This is the Christian and Jewish faith
God grants liberty to the people who hand-picked in the writing of the Torah and the Gospel
Your words and this is very acceptable for Christian
But Islam is different
He says that the Koran is the word of God in the character and shape
The brain is closed because of this myth my friend

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.
There are different ways to know various things....We do not ask every time we must see it before we believe it is there....Our various senses do various duties to "see".

There are many "things" which are non-physical but we believe they are there, like gravitational pull, magnetic force, electroweak force etc....We do not insist to show these.

Love, age, power, mercy, etc are there but we do not see these.

If Allah (God) is seen with physical eyes, then you might ask you do not believe corporeal God you like to have incorporeal God!

If various veils are removed, pure human nature, heart and mind keep pointing that it is likely God is present Who made us for purpose.

Human reason keep knocking lest there might be Maker of such comprehensive inter linked cosmos system with special purpose of our making.

Next tool is religion, there may be various of them but almost all tells about Maker, Creator Who made us for purpose and how to get it. Islam is perfect of them; and Ahmadiyya-Islam is reminder of true Islam in this era. The uplifting of raw human faculties to moral and to high spiritual connection with God through revelation. [True dream being a basic prototype which almost all human share. When piousness reaches highest, true dreams become more pure and become revelation.]

Koran differs oppose your words this
And your words, and this is not consistent with the Koran and his words
Holy God gives us differently
God in the Koran and plotted forget
Women and presented to Mohammed Al-Ahzab »says Zaid when he had finished them and there has been a viscosity to you
Do you think that the Ahmadiyya know the meaning of this verse from Surat parties
Wife Mohammed when he saw his adopted son Zaid
I saw a beautiful
It took place in the heart of Muhammad
Then came the matter of Divine
He announced God to be a wife to Zainab Mohammed
Do you think that this verse is the word of God ????

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Starter Koran says: "Taking say to him that God blessed him and bestowed upon you grabbed your husband and Fear God and hide in yourself what God expressing fears the people and God deserving of that fear when he had finished Zaid them and there has been a Zojnakea so as not to be on the faithful wrong with Odeiaihm pairs if spent them and there has been and it was God commanded effect "(parties, 0.37).

This verse from the verses of the Koran Mohammed, a marriage of his adopted son tells wife
Named Zaid
Questions mental says
It was this speech and this event is written in the board also saved ??
We believe that the reason for the revelation of this verse mere trifle-related event to see Mohammed Bin safe to Zainab girl colt and is in her house and her Asthaih because of the beauty of her body, does this verse was actually a code saved in the board Kharafi?
If this verse is a blog, how it is said that the board is saved since time immemorial and that has not changed and is changing, and we see a verse here were not present and were increased after the occurrence of the incident? And Allah is Knower, how everything has turned out he did not write down this verse in the plate to his ignorance of the inevitability of occurrence of the reason for getting out?
If the verse actually exist in the archives of gypsum-Kharafi, it means that God knew there would come a time and craves the Mohammed Bin safe Zainab girl colt wife his adopted son Zaid bin Haritha, why leave the Zaida marry the girl from the beginning and he knows that he will end up in the arms of Mohammed Bin safe?

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, God did not write anything/QUOTE]


Yeah. It's hard to write when you don't exist.

 

[DawudTalut]

Koran differs oppose your words this
And your words, and this is not consistent with the Koran and his words
Holy God gives us differently
God in the Koran and plotted forget
Women and presented to Mohammed Al-Ahzab »says Zaid when he had finished them and there has been a viscosity to you
Do you think that the Ahmadiyya know the meaning of this verse from Surat parties
Wife Mohammed when he saw his adopted son Zaid
I saw a beautiful
It took place in the heart of Muhammad
Then came the matter of Divine
He announced God to be a wife to Zainab Mohammed
Do you think that this verse is the word of God ????

Peace be on you.
Sorry friend, these are your words.
The words of Allah in this issue and its commentary is here:

Ref:http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=2122&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
and more......

For more enlightenment for your queries, you are cordially welcome to:
http://www.islamahmadiyya.net/default.asp

 

[outhouse]

The words of Allah

Those are factually words of men

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.
Sorry friend, these are your words.
The words of Allah in this issue and its commentary is here:

You did nothing
My question Is this verse from the words of God ???
Or are the words of a man ???
Mohammed marriage and the way his marriage to Zainab girl colt, and this is the focus of this verse from the Koran ???
Is it from the words of God ??
Does that mean you know and what Zaid spent and there has been such ا ولما قضى زيد وطرا منها زوجناكها
You have to know the meanings of words and not of Arabs who teach you the way Islam Ahmadiyya

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Those are factually words of men

Yes, it is the words of a man
Does God intervene in the marriage of Mohammed Zainab girl colt ???
Why did God writes these words in his book saved in the heavenly board ??
Many questions in the mind of every corner of the Koran
Muslims believe that we attack on their religion
But this is the reality of their religion, why they do not accept the rule of reason and logic

 

[outhouse]

But this is the reality of their religion, why they do not accept the rule of reason and logic

This can apply to all religions.

 

[DawudTalut]

You did nothing
My question Is this verse from the words of God ???
Or are the words of a man ???
Mohammed marriage and the way his marriage to Zainab girl colt, and this is the focus of this verse from the Koran ???
Is it from the words of God ??
Does that mean you know and what Zaid spent and there has been such ا ولما قضى زيد وطرا منها زوجناكها
You have to know the meanings of words and not of Arabs who teach you the way Islam Ahmadiyya

Peace be on you.
1=The whole Quran is word of God and to date it is uniquely preserved as God Promised:

[15:10] Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.

Image ref: alislam.org

2=ما تفسير هذه الآية
http://new.islamahmadiyya.net/qa.asp?cat_id=&start=984&page=124
There is no problem here, if now people on street using some word in different sense, it is not fault of Quran.
Meaning are given in english image, note note 3104.


3= As written in #1,
[15:10] Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.

It also means God protects honour of His Messengers.

[37:181] Holy is thy Lord, the Lord of Honour and Power, far above that which they assert.
[37:182] And peace be upon the Messengers!
[37:183] And all praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

=====

Thanks.

 

[outhouse]

1=The whole Quran is word of God

That's is only faith based. You want it to be, but you have no evidence of such.

But I have to ask why would god copy mythology?

Academia see's Waraka possibly writing much of it, plagiarizing the biblical traditions he was known to pervert.

 

[DawudTalut]

That's is only faith based. You want it to be, but you have no evidence of such.

But I have to ask why would god copy mythology?

Academia see's Waraka possibly writing much of it, plagiarizing the biblical traditions he was known to pervert.

Peace be on you.
1=Teaching of Quran,
2=its preservation-as-promised,
3= prophecies during coming of Quran,
4= prophecies in farther times,
5= prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled,
6= grant of working blessings on true practitioners,
7= The demand of time, when it came as promised.
8= The man was totally book-illiterate and known servant of truth, he never leaned from others as there was no perfect teacher then.

Copying of mythology
History research is not fully done. There are many obstacles.
In previous-to-Quran Books, record of some events were man-handled, Quran corrected the one which God wanted to retain.
Stories and events in Quran have serious meanings, some are corrections and some are actually used a future prophecies.
If you please read Ahmadiyya Literature you will find true rational meanings of all these.

It is written somewhere above that Warqa knew only part of Torah, where did come rest from?

Besides Holy Prophet sa did not have much time spend with him.

One is sure if lot of Ahmadiyya-Muslim academia do research in history and archeology, much (which is already cleared in our literature) will be cleared more......That is one of the work of promised-reformer.

 

[outhouse]

Copying of mythology
History research is not fully done.

But sir, the whole world knows the book has mythology in it. It is taught in every credible university as credible knowledge.

The research does not have to be complete to know what is and is not mythology.

Judaism, most accept their book has mythology.
Christianity, most accept the books have mythology.

But islam no. There is no moderation, or accepting what is known fully. If I provided facts I think you would refuse those, and fight against them.

 

[DawudTalut]

By 'mythology' do you mean stories? or what? can you be more clear?
see u.

 

[psychoslice]

When someone proclaims that they have the truth and nothing but the truth, then run for the hills, because they are most times talking crap.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This can apply to all religions.
We agree
Yes, we Christians do not say that the Bible is the word written in
Saved board
Because the Bible was written by the disciples of Christ in which they wrote what they have seen or heard or Ainoh
The words of Christ matching to the human conscience
For this, it is consistent with God
When the Gospel words match the highest degree of humanity they reflect the image of God

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This can apply to all religions

We agree
Yes, we Christians do not say that the Bible is the word written in
Saved board
Because the Bible was written by the disciples of Christ in which they wrote what they have seen or heard or Ainoh
The words of Christ matching to the human conscience
For this, it is consistent with God
When the Gospel words match the highest degree of humanity they reflect the image of God

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

When someone proclaims that they have the truth and nothing but the truth, then run for the hills, because they are most times talking crap.

The absolute truth is not one of the fundamentals of the Christian faith
Because faith begins to doubt the word of
When the man suspected in the fact that he was looking for the truth
Right and religion is assisted in this

 

[psychoslice]

The absolute truth is not one of the fundamentals of the Christian faith
Because faith begins to doubt the word of
When the man suspected in the fact that he was looking for the truth
Right and religion is assisted in this

That means nothing, its just words.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.

You spin does not provide a logical answer to the questions raised
Also give proof on you to understand the words of the Koran
Verse provided by
Where many questions
The beginning of the verse plural
There are multiple
Amaaldkr and the word in the Koran carry more than one meaning
In some verses refer to books that was before Mohammed