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Are the dietary laws to be understood in the spiritual sense?

calm

Active Member
I just read the Barnabas letter and found something I haven't heard before. "Barnabas" writes that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are not to be understood literally but in the spiritual sense.
He writes:
Barnabas 10:1
But forasmuch as Moses said; Ye shall not eat seine nor eagle nor
falcon nor crow nor any fish which hath no scale upon it
, he
received in his understanding three ordinances.

Barnabas 10:2
Yea and further He saith unto them in Deuteronomy; And I will lay
as a covenant upon this people My ordinances.
So then it is not a
commandment of God that they should not bite with their teeth, but
Moses spake it in spirit.

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.


Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish
. Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

What do you think? Does that agree with the Bible? Has God always meant it that way?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I just read the Barnabas letter and found something I haven't heard before. "Barnabas" writes that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are not to be understood literally but in the spiritual sense.
He writes:
Barnabas 10:1
But forasmuch as Moses said; Ye shall not eat seine nor eagle nor
falcon nor crow nor any fish which hath no scale upon it
, he
received in his understanding three ordinances.

Barnabas 10:2
Yea and further He saith unto them in Deuteronomy; And I will lay
as a covenant upon this people My ordinances.
So then it is not a
commandment of God that they should not bite with their teeth, but
Moses spake it in spirit.

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.


Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish
. Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

What do you think? Does that agree with the Bible? Has God always meant it that way?
I think it is mostly health issues, as well as homosexual issue, of couse, healthy body would be instrumental for spiritual exercises.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I just read the Barnabas letter and found something I haven't heard before. "Barnabas" writes that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are not to be understood literally but in the spiritual sense.
He writes:
Barnabas 10:1
But forasmuch as Moses said; Ye shall not eat seine nor eagle nor
falcon nor crow nor any fish which hath no scale upon it
, he
received in his understanding three ordinances.

Barnabas 10:2
Yea and further He saith unto them in Deuteronomy; And I will lay
as a covenant upon this people My ordinances.
So then it is not a
commandment of God that they should not bite with their teeth, but
Moses spake it in spirit.

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.


Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish
. Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)

What do you think? Does that agree with the Bible? Has God always meant it that way?

Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas
The Gospel of Barnabas is a book depicting the life of Jesus, which claims to be by the biblical Barnabas who in this work is one of the twelve apostles. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th or early 17th centuries, with one written in Italian and the other in Spanish.
 

calm

Active Member
Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas
The Gospel of Barnabas is a book depicting the life of Jesus, which claims to be by the biblical Barnabas who in this work is one of the twelve apostles. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th or early 17th centuries, with one written in Italian and the other in Spanish.
This is not the gospel of "Barnabas", this is the epistle of Baranabas.
The age of the Epistle of Baranabas is estimated at 100 AD.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Let's break this down:
I just read the Barnabas letter and found something I haven't heard before. "Barnabas" writes that the dietary laws of the Old Testament are not to be understood literally but in the spiritual sense.
He writes:
Barnabas 10:1
But forasmuch as Moses said; Ye shall not eat seine nor eagle nor
falcon nor crow nor any fish which hath no scale upon it
, he
received in his understanding three ordinances.
Paraphrasing makes everything easier!;)

Barnabas 10:2
Yea and further He saith unto them in Deuteronomy; And I will lay
as a covenant upon this people My ordinances.
So then it is not a
commandment of God that they should not bite with their teeth, but
Moses spake it in spirit.
He seems to be marking a difference between "ordinance" and "commandment". It's not clear why, or rather, it is clear why, it's not clear what it's based on. He also seems to expect that following commandments would make us upset - or at least, wants us to be upset at the thought of following them.

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.
That's an interesting interpretation, but it relies on not reading the passage or ignoring it's structure. The Law is about not eating animals that chew their cud and have split hooves. Pig is one of four animals given as an example of an animal that only has one and not both. If you found a subspecies of suide that ate like a pig but had both signs, it wouldn't be prohibited based on the context. He's just put aside the context and made the ancillary note the main focus.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.

Do all 17 listed species of birds do this?

Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish
. Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.
404

All it says is not to eat fish that don't have fins and scales.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.
Uh, what?

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.
I'm guessing this is meant to be a translation of one of the four listed animals that only either chew their cud or have split hooves. Although I won't venture a guess as to why he thinks this would fit that category. Not that I need to considering his metaphor is based on an interesting impression of the hyena.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.
I'm not really clear why he chose the weasel. As part of it's contextual list, it's chosen as one of 8 animals that when dead render a person impure. It's not singled out as an animal that can't be eaten, although it also does fit the category of prohibited animals. Another interesting impression though.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)
What a ride Barny.

What do you think? Does that agree with the Bible? Has God always meant it that way?
It's an absurd line of thinking. At it's best it only leads to a slippery slope of craziness.

If G-d intended it as stated here, He could have simply did the same thing Barny did: write that. In fact, He did in other places: all these bad behaviors (or at least the ones I was able to parse from this) can be understood more explicitly, elsewhere. So if those prohibitions were already stated, what's this chapter adding?

Let alone the lack of evidence. I mean, Adam had a good response, "G-d! What are you talking about! You didn't mean that I can't actually eat from the tree, you just meant I shouldn't be like the tree sitting in the center of the Garden. Well I'm not!" There's no evidence for this whole "spiritual interpretation" nonsense. It's just part of the effort to get people to stop following the Law.
 
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