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Are Gentiles Inherently Atheists?

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I always thought of Gentiles as people who are not considered or regarded as Jewish. I don't think a belief, or lack of a belief applies.
jews are generally considered an ethno-religious group. evidently the character Jesus thought that men served one of two masters. Serving God made you Jewish no matter the origin of your birth and serving Belial made you otherwise.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
doesn't believe something exists unless it's observable apart from self. in other words, it is experiential and indirect knowledge vs intuitive knowledge.
So, for instance, insisting that the airliner you're going to fly in has been inspected and will be flown by qualified pilots instead of relying on prayers that you won't crash? That sort of thing?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So, for instance, insisting that the airliner you're going to fly in has been inspected and will be flown by qualified pilots instead of relying on prayers that you won't crash? That sort of thing?
everyone has the potential for loving kindness and compassion, humanism. not everyone chooses to be so. praying that someone else be responsible for compassion and another's safety is abdicating one's actual ability and asking someone else to be responsible.

the potential is there. the actual isn't necessarily. such is the reality of free will. not everyone is here to serve the greater good, or all.

not everyone enjoys the actual job. some are in it for the vain glory, some for the pay, some because they couldn't get the job they wanted, et al.


12 No one has ever seen love but if we love one another, love lives in us and this love is made complete in us.
 
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David T

Well-Known Member
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Are those who call themselves theists but acting like atheists, looking for something externally, separate from self, really just atheist by another name and search for god without knowledge?
Obviously....its the hotel California..or Dylans all along the watchtower.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
doesn't believe something exists unless it's observable apart from self. in other words, it is experiential and indirect knowledge vs intuitive knowledge.
So theists who act like atheists because they are gentiles do this??
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So theists who act like atheists because they are gentiles do this??

i'm using the term gentile slightly different than yourself. a gentile is a person who doesn't know god for themselves. god for a gentile is something separate from themselves. God for a jew, as jesus explained, is something within self. the kingdom of God comes from within, not exclusively without self, not exclusively apart from self.

this is why a theist who believes god isn't omnipresent in self will never be able to prove god exists. god is some anthropomorphic thing elsewhere for a gentile theist.

just as the following verse explains, the perfect law; which is god is manifested when the gentile does something.


14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.


obviously they don't understand the Law, or God. God is Love. Love is the perfect Law, the perfect moral. he who has the Law of One, the Law of Love, can do awesome things.
 
Are those who call themselves theists but acting like atheists, looking for something externally, separate from self, really just atheist by another name and search for god without knowledge?

what group of theists acting like atheists?
gentile has only Jewish significance in that sense..
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
This is not serving God by any means, size, shape or form----

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html

Israeli Child Killers: Documentary Proof

there are two types of service: service to self and service to others as self, or service to all.

Jesus taught service to All as self, the other other form is considered selfish and discriminatory. It would be a form of egoism, tribalism, self-glorification, or familialism.

Divers weights and measure are an abomination to the Lord. You cannot serve God apart from others, or others apart from God.


1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

1 John 4:20
Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brotherand sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
And here again, the result of Jewish/Christian propaganda over the millenia.
as an exoteric maybe, but not necessarily from an esoteric, or figurative meaning.

judaism is an ethno-religious vs christianity isn't.

jesus didn't base the faithful on their ascribed religious affiliations, or tribalism. case in point jesus' contact with a canaanite woman


matthew 15
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.


obviously faith isn't exclusive to a group, its exclusive to a believer who does the will of god

For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
i'm using the term gentile slightly different than yourself. a gentile is a person who doesn't know god for themselves. god for a gentile is something separate from themselves. God for a jew, as jesus explained, is something within self. the kingdom of God comes from within, not exclusively without self, not exclusively apart from self.

this is why a theist who believes god isn't omnipresent in self will never be able to prove god exists. god is some anthropomorphic thing elsewhere for a gentile theist.

just as the following verse explains, the perfect law; which is god is manifested when the gentile does something.


14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.


obviously they don't understand the Law, or God. God is Love. Love is the perfect Law, the perfect moral. he who has the Law of One, the Law of Love, can do awesome things.
Trading the established definitions of words for your own definitions is likely to get in the way of meaningful discussion, especially when you don't tell anybody that you're using your own personal definitions until deep into the conversation.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Trading the established definitions of words for your own definitions is likely to get in the way of meaningful discussion, especially when you don't tell anybody that you're using your own personal definitions until deep into the conversation.


https://www.etymonline.com/word/Jew

shows that jew is a person based on race or religion. jesus didn't necessarily consider those born of the ethnic group as jews but did consider jews based on their actions and will to god.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Fool said:
jesus didn't base the faithful on their ascribed religious affiliations, or tribalism. case in point jesus' contact with a canaanite woman


matthew 15
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.


obviously faith isn't exclusive to a group, its exclusive to a believer who does the will of god

For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."


You have to look just a little further to see the irony.

Why use the terms Jew, and Gentile?


The Father in Heaven is neither Jew, nor Gentile. Jesus spoke truthfully in this case:

Matthew 23:9
 
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