Are communist's welcome?

[Theocan]

Religion is not politics and I agree with Pinky on that. And there should be strong seperation of church and state so the country can function well.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Religion is not politics and I agree with Pinky on that. And there should be strong seperation of church and state so the country can function well.

We've seen what happens in the past when any country mixes too strongly with religions where their mission is to spread the news.

 

[Dunemeister]

I also did not start this thread to get into a religious discussion. I got into this thread to see if I was welcome in this part of the forum as a communist.

Quite right. My apologies. You're certainly welcome here as a communist.

 

[3.14]

comunist arn't welkome, comunists are comunists, life isn't welkome, life is life (lalalaalaa)

 

[LittlePinky82]

Quite right. My apologies. You're certainly welcome here as a communist.

Thanks! I don't mind talking about religion so if you want a new thread would be cool. That way it would be easier to keep up with.

 

[Mathematician]

I would certainly hope the administration would be so kind as to allow you a stay on the forums, seeing as how I'm a communist. I'm sorry I couldn't welcome you earlier, Pinky. I was gone to Greece and Turkey. Both beautiful countries. Welcome aboard.

In memory of the late George Carlin: “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.”

 

[Mathematician]

Thanks for setting me straight. I'm happy to have Pinky here, too -- a whole lot happier than I am to have certain Christian fundies here! I do still wonder, though, can there be true freedom of religion under communism? Or are religious practices, whatever they may be, controlled by the state?

Communists theorize that communism will be a stateless organization so let's hope not.

The association between atheism and communism comes from Karl Marx, who called organized religion the opiate of society - it is used by the masses, he said, to relieve the pains felt by living and certain oppression. Despite popular misconceptions, Marx never favored banning religion and indeed he looked at the religions of the world in a mixed way: seeing them both as deceitful, but also comforting. In essence, religion is an effect, not a cause. An ardent atheist Marxist would claim that organized religion will whither away as material abundance continues forward and poverty, hunger, drought, disease, and other ills subside. Commodity fetishism, or love for the material world, will (it is believed by some) replace organized religion.

The Soviet Union under Stalin took many contradictory stances. At the onset of collectivization churches were torn down in reaction to the close association between the monarchy and religion, but during World War 2 the Russian Orthodox came back in order to increase national morale. Abortion was banned after becoming legalized under Lenin for the first time in Russia's history. Most interestingly, the death penalty was temporarily abolished in 1948 - and indeed the Soviets started pushing for global abolition of the death penalty - until only a few months later when they brought it back.

Many renown religious individuals like Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi were socialist. As an independent theory socialism has developed across Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, and Taoism. Under communism there wouldn't necessarily be a "separation of church and state" since the state (viewed as a hierarchal institution which claims ultimate say over a geographical area) will be gone, but religion would be left for private matters.

 

[Magic Man]

I would certainly hope the administration would be so kind as to allow you a stay on the forums, seeing as how I'm a communist.

I think she just meant is she welcome in the "Socialist Only" forum, since there's no "Communist Only" forum, and it's close enough.

In memory of the late George Carlin: “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.”

I almost made that my signature the other day. I decided on this one in the end, though.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I would certainly hope the administration would be so kind as to allow you a stay on the forums, seeing as how I'm a communist. I'm sorry I couldn't welcome you earlier, Pinky. I was gone to Greece and Turkey. Both beautiful countries. Welcome aboard.

In memory of the late George Carlin: “I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.”

Awesome. Glad to see another Commie here. I was starting to feel like the loan wolf. I don't mind and am used to it but it's always nice to see a comrade! Are you a member of S-E? Love the George Carlin quote and totally perfect.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Communists theorize that communism will be a stateless organization so let's hope not.

The association between atheism and communism comes from Karl Marx, who called organized religion the opiate of society - it is used by the masses, he said, to relieve the pains felt by living and certain oppression. Despite popular misconceptions, Marx never favored banning religion and indeed he looked at the religions of the world in a mixed way: seeing them both as deceitful, but also comforting. In essence, religion is an effect, not a cause. An ardent atheist Marxist would claim that organized religion will whither away as material abundance continues forward and poverty, hunger, drought, disease, and other ills subside. Commodity fetishism, or love for the material world, will (it is believed by some) replace organized religion.

The Soviet Union under Stalin took many contradictory stances. At the onset of collectivization churches were torn down in reaction to the close association between the monarchy and religion, but during World War 2 the Russian Orthodox came back in order to increase national morale. Abortion was banned after becoming legalized under Lenin for the first time in Russia's history. Most interestingly, the death penalty was temporarily abolished in 1948 - and indeed the Soviets started pushing for global abolition of the death penalty - until only a few months later when they brought it back.

Many renown religious individuals like Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi were socialist. As an independent theory socialism has developed across Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, and Taoism. Under communism there wouldn't necessarily be a "separation of church and state" since the state (viewed as a hierarchal institution which claims ultimate say over a geographical area) will be gone, but religion would be left for private matters.

Excellent post. :bow: For more faq anyone can visit CPUSA Online - They have a section about religion there. Also visit their media section too.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I think she just meant is she welcome in the "Socialist Only" forum, since there's no "Communist Only" forum, and it's close enough.



I almost made that my signature the other day. I decided on this one in the end, though.

Right. I have been on forums in the past where if you aren't a member of the said forum (like religious or political beliefs) you can't actively post and all so I just wanted to make sure since I'm still new to the forums.

I like your quote too.

 

[Mathematician]

Awesome. Glad to see another Commie here. I was starting to feel like the loan wolf. I don't mind and am used to it but it's always nice to see a comrade! Are you a member of S-E? Love the George Carlin quote and totally perfect.

Soviet Empire? No; not presently. I don't participate much in socialist, communist, and anarchist communities. I like to divert my time towards message boards without a large showing from the "left." Of course my biggest efforts are done off-line.

 

[Magic Man]

Right. I have been on forums in the past where if you aren't a member of the said forum (like religious or political beliefs) you can't actively post and all so I just wanted to make sure since I'm still new to the forums.

And you're right to a degree. In any of these forums for specific religions or political beliefs (basically anything not labelled "debate"), the idea is for only people of that philosophy to post there, and people with polite questions just for informational purposes. You were right for asking, but the answer is that, here, Communism is close enough to be under the "Socialist" umbrella. Now, in any of the debate forums here, you can freely express any of your views, as long as you don't personally attack someone and you don't proselytize.

I like your quote too.

Thanks. I thought it was a good one.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Soviet Empire? No; not presently. I don't participate much in socialist, communist, and anarchist communities. I like to divert my time towards message boards without a large showing from the "left." Of course my biggest efforts are done off-line.

Right. I just like having a little place to go online where you can just chat with like minded people without people debating you on every little thing.

 

[LittlePinky82]

And you're right to a degree. In any of these forums for specific religions or political beliefs (basically anything not labelled "debate"), the idea is for only people of that philosophy to post there, and people with polite questions just for informational purposes. You were right for asking, but the answer is that, here, Communism is close enough to be under the "Socialist" umbrella. Now, in any of the debate forums here, you can freely express any of your views, as long as you don't personally attack someone and you don't proselytize.



Thanks. I thought it was a good one.

Well I don't mean debating I mean just talking and participating in general. Well to me you can't have one without the other. Socialism utopia is communism and you can't have communism without socialism. I was recently at the YPSL and they had a discussion about it and majority of them there in the post's I saw didn't want to associate with a Commie cause we're too radical.

 

[Magic Man]

Well I don't mean debating I mean just talking and participating in general. Well to me you can't have one without the other. Socialism utopia is communism and you can't have communism without socialism. I was recently at the YPSL and they had a discussion about it and majority of them there in the post's I saw didn't want to associate with a Commie cause we're too radical.

I understand. If you're socialist or communist you are welcome to debate those topics here, but not to the point of debating from a different philosophy. That's all. I know the term "Commie" and "communist" have become very charged, but you are welcome here for sure. I don't get into politics much, but I consider myself a socialist, and don't consider myself far from a communist. Anyway, let's just say welcome to the boards, glad to have you, and post all you want in here.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I understand. If you're socialist or communist you are welcome to debate those topics here, but not to the point of debating from a different philosophy. That's all. I know the term "Commie" and "communist" have become very charged, but you are welcome here for sure. I don't get into politics much, but I consider myself a socialist, and don't consider myself far from a communist. Anyway, let's just say welcome to the boards, glad to have you, and post all you want in here.

Thanks. I'm still getting the hang of everything so I'm sure someone will guide me in the right direction if I get off track. For the most part everyone's been pretty cool and helpful.

 

[Rise Above]

Communism and atheism have nothing to do with each other.

This is not true at all. From "About the attitude of the working party toward the religion" by Comrade Lenin:

"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."

Marxism and atheism are absolutely inseparable.

Even Fidel Castro is a Catholic.

He is an atheist. In "Comandante", which can be viewed in its entirety, free of charge, on YouTube, he claims to have never been a believer.

 

[Ukonkivi]

Or are religious practices, whatever they may be, controlled by the state?

Sovietism is Socialist Statism.
Communism is Anti-Statism.

You'd be surprised at how much the BNP politics resemble Stalinism.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The problem, of course, is that Christianity isn't a private faith. It's very public. And it makes claims that challenge a totalitarian interpretation of government's role. In practice, communism has had to eliminate (USSR) or severely control (Viet Nam, Cuba) Christian religion in order to maintain its hold on power. I don't know about communism's response to other religions, so I can't comment much about that.

Many political systems do this...
There is very little Christianity in many western countries, the versions they now follow have virtually removed the Christian ethic.
and replaced it with a Judaic version.