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Are Codes created by random processes or intelligence?

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Prove it. Prove Adam and Eve, prove sin, prove talking snakes. . . Prove GOD for that matter.

Oh, you don't have hundreds of years of research and documented evidence to back you up like Biochemists do?

This is Man of Faith... He does not have to prove anything.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
For example a code of law, code of conduct, Morris code, computer code, or the genetic code? Do random processes create codes or are they designed by intelligence? If we go out into space and do not find any life, will there be any codes? Can we say that the genetic code was created by a random process when all other codes are created by intelligence? I guess you can say that but is that reasonable? :confused:
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
You will have to quit using those big words if you want me to understand you.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this statement

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Alceste

Vagabond
Do hand tools fly?

Think about it: Float plane, biplane, jet plane, airplane - all these are types of planes. There is also a hand tool for smoothing wood called a plane. It makes no sense that all planes fly except for the ones that are hand tools. So therefore carpenters planes must fly, even though nobody has ever witnessed this. I velcroed all mine to the work bench when I came to this life changing realization.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Well what I have in mind for random is something like a snowflake or a hurricane. Each snowflake is different but they are produced randomly or undirected by an intelligence. Same as a hurricane, when the atmospheric properties are right, brought about by randomness a hurricane is the result.

Snowflakes only appear to be random, they formed individually due to their unique set of circumstances. Atmospheric properties aren't random either, or we would just 'randomly' get snow in Mexico. There is a an effect of circumstances, and it's based on position, currents, sea levels, atmosphere, etc/etc/etc/.
 
The problem is not the genetic code but the whole machinery of the cell. The genetic code could look different, but would then still work. But it needs the whole cellular context to make any sense. However simple one imagines an ancestral cell, this needs a myriad of processes linked into circles.

This is a difficult problem to explain: It is obviously improbable to have occurred by chance, but how improbable exactly? A similar, but simpler problem is protein folding. Rupert Sheldrake claimed this could not be explained by science, there were too many incorrect ways to fold a protein to achieve the correct one. He postulated "morphogenetci fields" in some type of matter-free ether. However he was wrong - science can today explain that.

The origin of the whole genetic machinery is difficult to explain, as it is shared among all life on the planet, suggesting it appeared once to stay and did not evolve stepwise.

Western Science is entirely materialistic. It therefore has to look for a materialistic explanation, else it would not be science. Postulating a manipulative higher entity behind phenomena science cannot entirely explain is not a scientific explanation. And the fact that scientific knowledge has limits is not the proof for higher entities.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
It would have to be random to some extent or else we could predict when and where hurricans can happen. All we can say is the the situation is right for hurricanes.
We can´t predict it because we don´t know everything about it and do not keep track of all the factors involved. They do however work according to deterministic laws.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The processes, may seem (and I must stressed out the word "seem") random at time, but all genetic are still natural processes.

Here is an example.

Let just say a person had green eyes in the family, but no one else has green eyes in his immediate family. Mother, father, brothers and sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents, all had brown eyes.

Then it was discovered that one of the great-grandparent back 5 generation had married someone with green eyes.

All descendants may all have the same genes as this green-eyed ancestors, but the probability was higher for descendants to have brown eyes instead. But for that one descendant, the gene was that he would have green eyes from entire clan of brown eyes, is far from unnatural.

Now the questions to you is this:

  1. Do you think it was some gods or the so-called "intelligent designer" gave this boy's green eyes? (Supernatural process)
  2. Or does it have something to with the dormant genes from a single ancestor back 5 generation? (Natural process)
Which process was the cause of the boy having green eyes, MoF?

God or some other intelligent designer? Or genetics?

Sorry, MoF, but I would have to go for natural process, which you have labelled as being random. Highly unlikely that this "intelligent being" was involved. Genetics doesn't require a Goddidit "intelligent" being, to explain that genes can skip generations, and give one person green eyes.
 
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