Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
No. God can create a Universe with 23 dimensions the size of pea, but the one we have is dichotomic. It is what it is. What does this have to do with the OP?
Are you defining chicken as the evil in Universe?
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Are Atheists evil?
- Thread starter Road Warrior
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No. God can create a Universe with 23 dimensions the size of pea, but the one we have is dichotomic. It is what it is. What does this have to do with the OP?
Are you defining chicken as the evil in Universe?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
You believe you have no free will? Does this mean you believe yourself be simply a biochemical automaton or "meat computer" who only responds to programming with no independent thoughts?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
... Because God made it that way, according to you. So, either God created a world with evil which wasn't necesarry, or God didn't have the power to create a world without evil in it. Which is it?
You brought up the "problem of evil" as often used by atheists against the concept of a God and a possible objection to it. I reftued that objection.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
If this is what you can consider evil...Id accept that over showing my followers the true love of the old testement God...he was very loving...
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Correct. That is my belief. I could be wrong, but that is my view point.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
IF evil is described as "being away from or without God', then,yes, atheists are evil.
However, it is doubtful that anyone with any understanding of the nature of man would reasonably make such a definition.
What is the nature of man, in your POV?
I find the concept of evil irrelevant to the existence of gods. Presuming that God exists,
if what he hath wrought we would call "evil", then that's God's prerogative & our problem.
if what he hath wrought we would call "evil", then that's God's prerogative & our problem.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
I see no evidence to the contrary. I am curious as to what an "independent thought" is. Do you think in German, or contemplate things you do not know? Do you debate whether you are an ilunga, or whether the shoggoth needs feeding?
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Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
While it is true we respond to our training, it is also true that a baby raised in an environment without being taught a language would nonetheless continue to think.
Additionally, this goes back to the OP. If a person is not responsible for themselves because they are simply biochemical computers devoid of free thought, then is it immoral to destroy them when they become defective?
Additionally, this goes back to the OP. If a person is not responsible for themselves because they are simply biochemical computers devoid of free thought, then is it immoral to destroy them when they become defective?
InformedIgnorance
Do you 'know' or believe?
Think yes, but would they be capable of thought in anywhere near the same degree of complexity? Many of the concepts which we utilise in thought are developed through complex interactions... without those interactions would those same concepts be available to be expressed as thought :/ perhaps it would be little different than that of a monkey or similar animal with relatively high brain capabilities...
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BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I believe Sam Harris feels the same way...we are prisoners to what the brain chooses...there is evidence that your brain decides what to do before you're conscious of the decision you are about to make...it's fascinating stuff.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
It would be an excellent experiment. It's been several decades since I completed my behavioral psych degree, but IIRC, several experiments have been done on animals during comparative psychology research. Experiments such as Harry Harlow's.
A Science Odyssey: People and Discoveries: Harry Harlow
rhesus
A Troubled Man
Active Member
Based on your logic, everyone is evil because gods have never been shown to exist.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Do we not quarantine or delete viruses? Do we not recall damaged goods and vehicles? We would imprison hurricanes and forest fires if we could.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
As a part of nature, human beings are subject to the regular and predictable patterns in nature. Evil, as it is subjectively defined in the OP with obvious self-serving intent, becomes victimless and arbitrary. Evil is intent. Not absence of belief in human concepts of supernatural beings.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So that's a yes?
Depends on how defective the person is. If there is no chance of resolving the issue, sure. If the problem is benign, probably not. It all depends on your morality. What I am stating is no different than Jesus's words about Gehenna.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Who in their right mind would define Secular Humanism, with it's clear and defined mission of reason, ethics and social justice as evil?
Or is it more reasonable to define evil as the purely human intent to cause harm on others?
Or is it more reasonable to define evil as the purely human intent to cause harm on others?
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I think a better way to word this would be, everyone is evil because everyone doesn't believe in every god...so if you dont particularly believe in Thor or Zeus you would be without god, therefore evil.
