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Featured Are all atheists facing Hell?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Aug 30, 2017.

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  1. Etritonakin

    Etritonakin Well-Known Member

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    Depending on your definition, the bible very much minces words.
    Reading all verses which relate to any subject is necessary (among other things) in order to "rightly divide" -or set in proper order -the word of God.

    These are probably the most important verses regarding hell/Gehenna.......

    I Cor 3:13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    And this is about God's word requiring in-depth study....

    Isaiah 28:9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
    10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
    11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

    12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
    13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. Most atheists have turned their back on Hell. If they faced it, they would be born again Christians.
     
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    Ahhhhh....turn their backs ???
    And Catholic belief ???
    And the others ???
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    I don't believe in religion at all,
    therefore I don't believe in any of it ?
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    Therefore....no heaven or hell or devil or gods or JESUS ??!!??
    Try pointing to anyone or thing that really exists in that rhelm ?
     
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    In my belief no....God will come to atheists and ask them why (although he knows the answer) but he will say (at least in my opinion) why and he will be cool with the answer
     
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  6. Desert Snake

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    Ok, perhaps a different way to state the same thing.
     
  7. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    What would that question be again? "Why" what?
     
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    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Uh, what does that mean? What would constitute turning my back on hell (or from it, perhaps)?
     
  9. 'mud

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    hey Luis,
    `Why` is asked of an atheist, and an answer to be the presence of unbelief in any of your silly idols and spirits and ghosts of any proportion,including your gods or trinity. One can't hear the sound that comes from voids !
    Please don't `ask` an atheist to believe at all ! The book of Matthew quotes not truth, nor Jesus, or God !
    `why` don't believers believe that atheists don't believe !
    `why` 'angels', and bugles and crap ?
    `why` not pure Nirvana ?
    And a little Brahman space on the side ?
     
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    Why not Muslims, or one of the other religions that have a concept of "hell"?
     
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    why would you disbelieve in me?
     
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    That question makes no sense, and a true deity would presumably know that.

    That situation would perhaps lead me to the realization that I was hallucinating.
     
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    The reason for the overlapping or similar concepts of "hell " is due to religious mixing, blending or fusion of beliefs.
    Especially when un-faithful Jews began mixing with Greeks they adopted their philosophies or theories and began teaching them as Scripture although Not Scripture.

    So, the non-biblical religious-myth fiery-hell concept became accepted in apostate Christendom.
    When the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping unconscious dead.
    The concept of sleep in death I find in Jesus' teachings found at John 11:11-14 that the dead sleep in death.
    Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach sleep, Not pain, in death:
    - Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5 and Daniel looked forward to being awakened from death's deep sleep according to Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13.
     
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    If you die before the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33 then you can have a resurrection out of biblical hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind' temporary stone-cold grave.
    I find if you ' repent ' you won't ' perish' ( be destroyed ) according to 2 Peter 3:9.
    So, if you repent and are still alive at the time of Matthew 25:31-33,37 then you can stay alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into calendar Day One of Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
     
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    In Scripture I find the dead face hell. Not some religious-myth hell teaching, but the Bible's hell or temporary grave.
    Even righteous Jesus, on the day he died, Jesus went to biblical hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
    Since Jesus taught ' sleep in death ' (John 11:11-14) then Jesus believed that while he was dead in hell that he would be in a sleep-like state or condition as described at Psalms 115:!7; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
    If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell, rather Jesus now has the keys to unlock death and biblical hell ( temporary grave) according to Revelation 1:18.
     
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    Hi there, the only thing I'd add is that it seems the dead were/are able to hear the voice of Jesus as He also prophesied that they would in John 5:28-29. Twice the Apostle Peter mentions that Jesus preached the gospel to the dead in 1 Peter 3:19 & 1 Peter 4:6.

    Also worthy of note is Matthew 27:53-54.
     
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    Your theory doesn't work. Your theory would mean that 'hell' is cast into 'hell'. // with the same meaning. Gehenna is the 'hell' that occurs after judgement, not before.
     
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    I'd also add that if Gehenna is the Lake of Fire (seeing it's assumed to be one and the same rather than emphatically stated) then death and hell are thrown into it. When death and hell are swallowed up in victory. (1Co 15:54)
     
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  19. 'mud

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    Ahhh....."lake of Fire" burning somewhere in the cosmos !
    and no clouds floating in the heaven above !
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    I like the image an outburst of the elements of myself,
    totally merged with what is out there,
    candle stick or cloud explosion,
    and no cognition.....that's still a bummer to me.
     
  20. URAVIP2ME

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    Thank you for your reply.
    I notice the ' future tense ' (hour is coming) is used at John 5:28 which is in harmony with the ' future tense ' used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection...... A future resurrection.
    Some of the dead do have a first or earlier resurrection which is mentioned at Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10.

    I find at 1 Peter 3:19 are Not dead people but spirits meaning the fallen angelic spirits of Noah's day as per 2 Peter 2:4-5.
    They are also the spirits of Jude 1:6. So, as Jesus had a spirit body before God resurrected Jesus, then the spirit Jesus showed himself to those fallen spirits held in the symbolic chains or darkness of biblical tartarus.
    By doing what resurrected Jesus did I think that showed those fallen spirits that Jesus died a faithful death and God resurrected Jesus and Jesus has the winning power over them.

    Matthew 27:52 I find were corpses exposed.
    Remember Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died. So, verse 53 talks of living people who came out of the graves (or the cemetery) ' after ' his resurrection. In other words, the ' and-came-out ' people were living people who saw the exposed corpses. Also, John 3:13 reminds us that No one would have a resurrection before Jesus, and that includes people such as King David mentioned at Acts of the Apostles 2:34. David who like Joab (1 Kings 2:6; 1 Kings 2:10 ) went to the grave in sleeping peace.
    David would have to wait until the time of Psalms 110 would be fulfilled, and so would the prophet Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13, and those of Hebrews 11 th chapter.
     
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