Apparently for socialist Tlaib. Politics is more important than visiting her 91 year old Granny.

[Twilight Hue]

Israel has the right to refuse entry to anyone. Same with the US. She's not being sent by the US government on official business, and she does follow a Twitter page which engages in extremely anti-Semitic rhetoric (I'd probably get modded just for posting one of the images that said Twitter page made, that's how bad it is). She's definitely no fan of Israel's, and she favors Palestine. It seems completely reasonable to me that Israel would be nervous about Tlaib visiting Palestine, publicly meeting with Palestinian groups and possibly escalating tensions or galvanizing pro-Palestinian groups (and we don't know which groups would latch onto the momentum; that's out of anyone's control, including Tlaib's).

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Speaking of groups it's absolutely mind-boggling once you find out who was sponsoring her trip to visit her 'ahem' aged grandmother.

Islamic Terrorism: The Group Sponsoring Tlaib and Omar's Trip Celebrates Suicide Bombings, the Murder of Israeli Children

This woman is not a friend of the United States. Period.

She as well as others needs to be removed from elected office soonest.

 

[columbus]

Israel has the right to refuse entry to anyone.

Not when they're taking my money.

Sorry, no. As long as Israel needs me to fund their violence they have no right to say No to anything I want.
Tom

 

[columbus]

This woman is not a friend of the United States. Period.

Neither is Trump.

But at least she got elected by the American people, something Trump cannot claim.
Tom

 

[rosends]

You're better than this sort of whataboutism.

I'm talking about people who defend ugly behavior by squealing "Antisemitism", instead of justifying the behavior.

I'm perfectly capable of criticizing Islam and Islamism. I get a similar response, quite frequently.
Islamophobe!

Christians also like to characterize my criticism as persecution. As a gay atheist in southern Indiana, I have lots of that sort of criticism.

Apparently, Abrahamic religionists revel in criticism. It's a form of validation.
Tom

You are so busy trying to see how you are a victim that you are not seeing the reality of the situation -- people criticize without being called anything all the time.

 

[rosends]

Not when they're taking my money.

Sorry, no. As long as Israel needs me to fund their violence they have no right to say No to anything I want.
Tom

Wait, what?
Receiving foreign aid means allowing another country to make your laws? Really? Not only is this ridiculous in theory, but it would exonerate Israel -- if Trump said they should deny entry to Tlaib, what choice did they have? They HAD to agree with the president of the country giving them money and you should be praising Israel for doing as they were told.

 

[columbus]

You are so busy trying to see how you are a victim that you are not seeing the reality of the situation -- people criticize without being called anything all the time.

Oh please.
I'm no victim, I'm kind of a vicious little effort.
Zionists think I'm antisemitic because I criticize the Israeli government.
Muslims think I'm islamophobic because I criticize Islam.
Christians think I'm antichristian because I criticize EuroChristians.

Stick it up your kosher

I'm nobody's victim.
Tom

 

[sooda]

Wait, what?
Receiving foreign aid means allowing another country to make your laws? Really? Not only is this ridiculous in theory, but it would exonerate Israel -- if Trump said they should deny entry to Tlaib, what choice did they have? They HAD to agree with the president of the country giving them money and you should be praising Israel for doing as they were told.

Israel has been getting the lion's share of the US foreign aid budget since 1948 and they are such a tiny population. Compare what we give Haiti to what we give Israel.

 

[columbus]

Wait, what?
Receiving foreign aid means allowing another country to make your laws? Really? Not only is this ridiculous in theory, but it would exonerate Israel -- if Trump said they should deny entry to Tlaib, what choice did they have? They HAD to agree with the president of the country giving them money and you should be praising Israel for doing as they were told.

Total b.s..
The Israelis could just tell Trump and the USA government and electorate to get lost.

But they won't. Because then they couldn't afford their war with the Palestinians.
Tom

 

[rosends]

Oh please.
I'm no victim, I'm kind of a vicious little effort.
Zionists think I'm antisemitic because I criticize the Israeli government.
Muslims think I'm islamophobic because I criticize Islam.
Christians think I'm antichristian because I criticize EuroChristians.

Stick it up your kosher

I'm nobody's victim.
Tom

You see, there you are claiming victimhood, telling others what they think of you because you want to embrace that label. I'm a Zionist and I haven't called you anti-anything, so your first claim is wrong. It is what you think, or even want to be true so you can claim the underdog position.

 

[rosends]

Total b.s..
The Israelis could just tell Trump and the USA government and electorate to get lost.

But they won't. Because then they couldn't afford their war with the Palestinians.
Tom

Wait, they can tell trump to get lost even though the US Government is giving them all that money? You seem a bit mixed up, claiming exact opposite positions.

 

[columbus]

You see, there you are claiming victimhood, telling others what they think of you because you want to embrace that label. I'm a Zionist and I haven't called you anti-anything, so your first claim is wrong. It is what you think, or even want to be true so you can claim the underdog position.

Nonsense.
I'm pointing out what other people have called me.
Right here on RF, much less everywhere else.

So yes, your claim is wrong. Because you aren't the only Zionist in the world.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Wait, they can tell trump to get lost even though the US Government is giving them all that money? You seem a bit mixed up, claiming exact opposite positions.

Yes they can tell Trump to get lost.

But they won't because Trump gives them money. My money, not his. He doesn't pay federal income taxes.
They're greedy and hypocritical, that's what I'm saying.
They want Tlaib's money, but not her opinions.

How hard is this to understand? They can tell Trump to get lost, but they won't because they want him to keep shoveling other people's money their way.
Tom

 

[rosends]

Nonsense.
I'm pointing out what other people have called me.
Right here on RF, much less everywhere else.

So yes, your claim is wrong. Because you aren't the only Zionist in the world.
Tom

Neither are they. You are the one generalizing about "Zionists." Did you mean "some Zionists"? In that case, what does their being Zionists have to do with it? Maybe they are all left-handed? Is it just easier to label them so you can assign their perspective to an entire group?

 

[rosends]

Yes they can tell Trump to get lost.

But they won't because Trump gives them money. My money, not his. He doesn't pay federal income taxes.
They're greedy and hypocritical, that's what I'm saying.
They want Tlaib's money, but not her opinions.

How hard is this to understand? They can tell Trump to get lost, but they won't because they want him to keep shoveling other people's money their way.
Tom

They want a freshman's money? But they can ignore the president who has been in office. You think they should value the presence of someone who does not conform to their laws over someone much higher in office who does? Your position is getting more and more ridiculous. Either you see Israel as a puppet of America or not. You can't have it both ways. If Israel has " no right to say No to anything I want" and Trump makes a demand, then they have no right to say no. Claiming that they can reject what the president wants so that some freshman can break their laws is quite silly.

 

[columbus]

Neither are they. You are the one generalizing about "Zionists." Did you mean "some Zionists"? In that case, what does their being Zionists have to do with it? Maybe they are all left-handed? Is it just easier to label them so you can assign their perspective to an entire group?

Give me a break.
Zionists have told me that criticizing Israel proves that I'm antisemitic.

I didn't say all Zionists. I've not heard from all Zionists.
But I have been told by lots more than one that I am antisemitic.
Tom

 

[columbus]

They want a freshman's money?

Mine!
Mine!

I pay federal income taxes. Israel is scooping up MY money!
I assume that Tlaib does as well.
I know that Trump doesn't. He said so.

All Israel has to do to ignore me is stop taking MY money.
Tom

 

[rosends]

Give me a break.
Zionists have told me that criticizing Israel proves that I'm antisemitic.

I didn't say all Zionists. I've not heard from all Zionists.
But I have been told by lots more than one that I am antisemitic.
Tom

You wrote "Zionists." You meant a simple plural? So, 2 of them? Three? Seventeen percent? A majority? How many are there and what percentage? You wrote about groups as monolithic. You want to see groups as singular positions and ascribe to them. That's an error in thinking.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Neither is Trump.

But at least she got elected by the American people, something Trump cannot claim.
Tom

With the exception of those hoodwinked under false pretense I wouldn't consider them Americans otherwise, but I'll give it the benefit of doubt for the time being.

They elected what you could describe as a bona fide enemy of the United States now that we know who her supporters are.

If she gets elected again , then we'll know for sure if they were voters who made a very bad choice under false pretense, or if they are actually openly traitorous people.

This woman is the enemy of both the United States and Israel.

 

[rosends]

Mine!
Mine!

I pay federal income taxes. Israel is scooping up MY money!
I assume that Tlaib does as well.
I know that Trump doesn't. He said so.

All Israel has to do to ignore me is stop taking MY money.
Tom

Wow. So you don't respect the decisions made by the government in terms of aid. You want line item veto rights on your taxes. The electoral college is no good, and you think that you can control where your tax dollars go, down to the penny. A fascinating view of politics you have.

 

[columbus]

With the exception of those hoodwinked under false pretense I wouldn't consider them Americans otherwise, but I'll give it the benefit of doubt for the time being.

They elected what you could describe as a bona fide enemy of the United States now that we know who her supporters are.

If she gets elected again , then we'll know for sure if they were voters who made a very bad choice under false pretense, or if they are actually openly traitorous people.

This woman is the enemy.

Actually, all that applies to Trump.

Apparently you are too young to remember when Russia and the KGB and such were our big enemies. Suddenly, they're our friends.
?
Tom