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Any Idea what this means?

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
"Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thee to fortify thine own castle? Mine own beam be not a bridge but trojan horse into thy midsts. I speakest only of that which compel me to burden, that I might be of use for mine enemies grave. Wilt thou not welcome me and thy trojan horse that so burdens? "

This is psychological experiment as it applies to perception of linguistics and intent.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
"Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thou to fortify thine own castle? Thy beam be not a bridge but trojan horse into thy midsts. I speakest only of that which compel me to burden, that I might be of use for mine enemies grave. Wilt thou not welcome me and thy trojan horse that so burdens? "

This is psychological experiment as it applies to perception of linguistics and intent.
It doesn't mean anything. In several places, even the old grammatical structures are incorrect (for example, "Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thou thee to fortify thine own castle
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
Further more, if I am to wait in silence, shalt l wait until mine enemies compel me to the mire or shouldest I forsake thy mote and be on mine own way? My feet dost not compel a dusting nor doest mine thirst offer time for the mire. Hast thou fortified thine castle clearly enough to offer refuge for a burdened man and his enemy's grave?
 
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Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
It doesn't mean anything. In several places, even the old grammatical structures are incorrect (for example, "Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thou thee to fortify thine own castle
Art thou a teacher of mine stumbled speech? Mine enemy is no more. I have become as free men. Offer thy teaching more and I will set mine beam across thy mote and enter into thy midst. What is this grammar you speak? Mine own teacher is become a burden, and I am parched with great thirst.
 

Eddi

Believer in God
Premium Member
"Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thee to fortify thine own castle? Mine own beam be not a bridge but trojan horse into thy midsts. I speakest only of that which compel me to burden, that I might be of use for mine enemies grave. Wilt thou not welcome me and thy trojan horse that so burdens? "

This is psychological experiment as it applies to perception of linguistics and intent.
I don't care for all the ye olde language

It puts me right off wanting to read it
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
I don't care for all the ye olde language

It puts me right off wanting to read it

So, would you answer with a welcome or a turn away? My guess is a turn away due to the barrier between languages. I'll try Icelandic:

ef ég þarf að fara mun ég skilja óvin minn eftir við hliðið.
 
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Eddi

Believer in God
Premium Member
So, would you answer with a welcome or a turn away? My guess is a turn away due to the barrier between languages. I'll try Icelandic:

Ef mér ber ađ fara, skil ég ķvini mína eftir viđ hliđiđ.
I have no idea what it's saying it is gibberish to me and I am in no way inclined to try and suss it out
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
I have no idea what it's saying it is gibberish to me and I am in no way inclined to try and suss it out
It reads: "If I must go, I will leave my enemy at the gate."

Frankly, I'm too parched to stick around and bury him myself. The mote water too stagnated to be healthy, so I will leave him at the gate to find fresh water.

"Laat de doden de doden begraven."

Dutch

I'm simply doing a psychological experiment about language and barriers between types of people.
 
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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
"Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thee to fortify thine own castle? Mine own beam be not a bridge but trojan horse into thy midsts. I speakest only of that which compel me to burden, that I might be of use for mine enemies grave. Wilt thou not welcome me and thy trojan horse that so burdens? "

This is psychological experiment as it applies to perception of linguistics and intent.
It's about projection.
Here is the blurb about projection from the Jung lexicon:

Projection. An automatic process whereby contents of one's own unconscious are perceived to be in others. (See also archaic, identification and participation mystique.)

Just as we tend to assume that the world is as we see it, we naïvely suppose that people are as we imagine them to be. . . . All the contents of our unconscious are constantly being projected into our surroundings, and it is only by recognizing certain properties of the objects as projections or imagos that we are able to distinguish them from the real properties of the objects. . . . Cum grano salis, we always see our own unavowed mistakes in our opponent. Excellent examples of this are to be found in all personal quarrels. Unless we are possessed of an unusual degree of self-awareness we shall never see through our projections but must always succumb to them, because the mind in its natural state presupposes the existence of such projections. It is the natural and given thing for unconscious contents to be projected.["General Aspects of Dream Psychology," ibid., par. 507.]"
Projection means the expulsion of a subjective content into an object; it is the opposite of introjection. Accordingly, it is a process of dissimilation, by which a subjective content becomes alienated from the subject and is, so to speak, embodied in the object. The subject gets rid of painful, incompatible contents by projecting them.[Definitions," CW 6, par. 783.]
Projection is not a conscious process. One meets with projections, one does not make them.
The general psychological reason for projection is always an activated unconscious that seeks expression.["The Tavistock Lectures," CW 18, par. 352.]
It is possible to project certain characteristics onto another person who does not possess them at all, but the one being projected upon may unconsciously encourage it.
It frequently happens that the object offers a hook to the projection, and even lures it out. This is generally the case when the object himself (or herself) is not conscious of the quality in question: in that way it works directly upon the unconscious of the projicient. For all projections provoke counter-projections when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject.[General Aspects of Dream Psychology," CW 8, par. 519.]
Through projection one can create a series of imaginary relationships that often have little or nothing to do with the outside world.
The effect of projection is to isolate the subject from his environment, since instead of a real relation to it there is now only an illusory one. Projections change the world into the replica of one's own unknown face. In the last analysis, therefore, they lead to an autoerotic or autistic condition in which one dreams a world whose reality remains forever unattainable.[The Shadow," CW 9ii, par. 17.]
Projection also has positive effects. In everyday life it facilitates interpersonal relations. In addition, when we assume that some quality or characteristic is present in another, and then, through experience, find that this is not so, we can learn something about ourselves. This involves withdrawing or dissolving projections.
So long as the libido can use these projections as agreeable and convenient bridges to the world, they will alleviate life in a positive way. But as soon as the libido wants to strike out on another path, and for this purpose begins running back along the previous bridges of projection, they will work as the greatest hindrances it is possible to imagine, for they effectively prevent any real detachment from the former object.["General Aspects of Dream Psychology," CW 8, par. 507.]
The need to withdraw projections is generally signaled by frustrated expectations in relationships, accompanied by strong affect. But Jung believed that until there is an obvious discordance between what we imagine to be true and the reality we are presented with, there is no need to speak of projections, let alone withdraw them.
Projection . . . is properly so called only when the need to dissolve the identity with the object has already arisen. This need arises when the identity becomes a disturbing factor, i.e., when the absence of the projected content is a hindrance to adaptation and its withdrawal into the subject has become desirable. From this moment the previous partial identity acquires the character of projection. The term projection therefore signifies a state of identity that has become noticeable.["Definitions," CW 6, par. 783.]
Jung distinguished between passive projection and active projection. Passive projection is completely automatic and unintentional, like falling in love. The less we know about another person, the easier it is to passively project unconscious aspects of ourselves onto them.
Active projection is better known as empathy-we feel ourselves into the other's shoes. Empathy that extends to the point where we lose our own standpoint becomes identification.
The projection of the personal shadow generally falls on persons of the same sex. On a collective level, it gives rise to war, scapegoating and confrontations between political parties. Projection that takes place in the context of a therapeutic relationship is called transference or countertransference, depending on whether the analysand or the analyst is the one projecting.

In terms of the contrasexual complexes, anima and animus, projection is both a common cause of animosity and a singular source of vitality.

When animus and anima meet, the animus draws his sword of power and the anima ejects her poison of illusion and seduction. The outcome need not always be negative, since the two are equally likely to fall in love.[The Syzygy: Anima and Animus," CW 9ii, par. 30.]
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Okay, I'm willing to give this experiment a go.
"Hast thou seen thine own mote clear enough for thee to fortify thine own castle?
Are you seeing yourself honestly enough to judge what you need to do for your own benefit?
Mine own beam be not a bridge but trojan horse into thy midsts.
My perspective may appear good and solid, but could have hidden detriments for you.
I speakest only of that which compel me to burden, that I might be of use for mine enemies grave.
I advise with heavy conviction that is directed still, for my benefit.
Wilt thou not welcome me and thy trojan horse that so burdens? "
Take my advice, my perspective, my beautiful convictions, won't you?
This is psychological experiment as it applies to perception of linguistics and intent.
This was fun. Now I'm anxious to see the final results.
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
It's about projection.
Here is the blurb about projection from the Jung lexicon:
Projection. An automatic process whereby contents of one's own unconscious are perceived to be in others. (See also archaic, identification and participation mystique.)​
Projection is not a conscious process. One meets with projections, one does not make them.​
It is possible to project certain characteristics onto another person who does not possess them at all, but the one being projected upon may unconsciously encourage it.​
Through projection one can create a series of imaginary relationships that often have little or nothing to do with the outside world.​
Projection also has positive effects. In everyday life it facilitates interpersonal relations. In addition, when we assume that some quality or characteristic is present in another, and then, through experience, find that this is not so, we can learn something about ourselves. This involves withdrawing or dissolving projections.​
The need to withdraw projections is generally signaled by frustrated expectations in relationships, accompanied by strong affect. But Jung believed that until there is an obvious discordance between what we imagine to be true and the reality we are presented with, there is no need to speak of projections, let alone withdraw them.​
Jung distinguished between passive projection and active projection. Passive projection is completely automatic and unintentional, like falling in love. The less we know about another person, the easier it is to passively project unconscious aspects of ourselves onto them.​
Active projection is better known as empathy-we feel ourselves into the other's shoes. Empathy that extends to the point where we lose our own standpoint becomes identification.​
The projection of the personal shadow generally falls on persons of the same sex. On a collective level, it gives rise to war, scapegoating and confrontations between political parties. Projection that takes place in the context of a therapeutic relationship is called transference or countertransference, depending on whether the analysand or the analyst is the one projecting.​
In terms of the contrasexual complexes, anima and animus, projection is both a common cause of animosity and a singular source of vitality.​

Yup, that's the one. Seriously, we do project and as stated it's sometimes active and other times passive, sometimes both play out if this is not the norm. I started the thread attempting an old English lingo, then pieced the following bits as required per others participation. In the end, I wanted to illustrate some interconnective dynamic between what was written and bible concepts that are typically viewed to be irrelevant.

The last line, last post I found clever enough. As a Christian, I found it fitting, but also understandable according to the prior posts.

"Let the dead bury the dead"

The intent was to illustrate that we often enough lack empathy and our hesitation to greet others with open arms is warranted enough to dismiss being so friendly to everyone. It's difficult to trust people, in other words.

Have a nice day.
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
Okay, I'm willing to give this experiment a go.

Are you seeing yourself honestly enough to judge what you need to do for your own benefit?

My perspective may appear good and solid, but could have hidden detriments for you.

I advise with heavy conviction that is directed still, for my benefit.

Take my advice, my perspective, my beautiful convictions, won't you?

This was fun. Now I'm anxious to see the final results.

Further more, if I am to wait in silence, shalt l wait until mine enemies compel me to the mire or shouldest I forsake thy mote and be on mine own way? My feet dost not compel a dusting nor doest mine thirst offer time for the mire. Hast thou fortified thine castle clearly enough to offer refuge for a burdened man and his enemy's grave?

Mine teacher is become a burden, and I am parched with great thirst. If I must go, I will leave mine enemy at the gate.

I'm too parched to stick around and bury him myself. The mote water is too stagnated to be healthy, so I will leave him at the gate to find fresh water.

"Laat de doden de doden begraven."

Ugghhh!!!
 
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