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Antiochus IV Epiphanes 175-164 B.C.

sooda

Veteran Member
Antiochus Epiphanes

Epiphanes’ name means “God made manifest.” Epiphanes sought to force Greek culture and manners on the Jews. In imposing Hellenism, Epiphanies was following the intentions of Alexander whose dream was to create an empire, not by the sword but by culture.

Because of this Hellenization, the region was speaking Greek by the time of Christ and the New Testament, which was written in Koine Greek and spread quickly because so many people throughout the empire knew Greek.

This Hellenization had a measure of success among the un-biblical, or Hellenized portion of the Jewish priesthood, but there was a core of devout priests and people who refused to abandon the faith of their forefathers. God always leaves remnant that are faithful to Him.

Epiphanies tried to put an end to the Jewish religious community through the introduction of Hellenistic cults, and persecuted those who would not bend to his demands (170-164 B.C.).

For example, he entered the Holy of Holies and desecrated the sanctuary by offering pigs upon the altar of burnt offerings. He polluted the whole building by sprinkling it with water in which pig flesh had been boiled.

He dedicated the Temple itself to Jupiter Olympus. Finally, he erected the statue of that deity and plundered the temple treasures. Severe punitive measures merely brought the matter to a head.

For example, “According to the decree, they put to death the women who had their children circumcised, and their families and those who circumcised them; and they hung the infants from their mothers’ necks”
(I Maccabees 1:60, 61, RSV).

These events were the cause of the Maccabean struggle and a revolt followed. As a result of the persecution many Jews hung on to God and His commandments, and many in Israel stood firm and did not bend to pagan rituals being forced upon them.

Another example was staying resolved in their hearts not to eat unclean food. “But many in Israel stood firm and were resolved in their hearts not to eat unclean food. They chose to die rather than to be defiled by food or to profane the holy covenant; and they did die.

And very great wrath came upon Israel”
(I Maccabees 1:62-64).

Epiphanes enacted a law requiring all citizens to present themselves four times a year to pay formal homage to Antiochus Epiphanies as the senior god of the Seleucids.

The day chosen for these periodic submissions was Shabbat, the Jewish day of prayer when Jews preferred not to leave their homes.

Epiphanes was met by a revolt, called the Maccabean Revolt (167-160 B.C.), in which the Jews set up a small state in which the high priest was the central figure and this gained the Jews their independence for a short while. God let the Jews get themselves out of the trouble they brought upon themselves.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
It is important to realize that even though God uses evil people to carry out His will, He punishes them for their wickedness. Here are two accounts of Antiochus’ death, from I and II Maccabees.

Now, when the king heard these words [about the defeat of his armies by Judas Maccabeus] he was astonished and sore moved; whereupon he laid him down upon his bed, and fell sick for grief, because it had not befallen him as he looked for. And there he continued many days: for his grief was ever more and more, and he made account that he should die.

Wherefore, he called for all his friends and said unto them: “The sleep is gone from mine eyes, and my heart faileth for very care. And I thought with myself into what tribulations am I come, and how great a flood of misery it is, wherein now I am! for I was bountiful and beloved in my power.

But now I remember the evils that I did at Jerusalem, and that I took all the vessels of gold and silver that were therein, and sent to destroy the inhabitants of Judea without cause. I perceive, therefore, that these troubles have come upon me, and behold I perish through great grief in a strange land.” Then called he for Philip, one of his friends, whom he made ruler over all his realm, and gave him the crown, and his robe, and his signet, to the end he should bring up his son Antiochus, and nourish him up for the kingdom. (1 Maccabees 6:8-15)


But the Lord, the God of Israel, that seeth all things, struck him with an incurable and an invisible plague. For as soon as he had ended these words, a dreadful pain in his bowels came upon him, and bitter torments of the inner parts.

And indeed very justly, seeing he had tormented the bowels of others with many and new torments, albeit he by no means ceased from his malice. Moreover, being filled with pride, breathing out fire in his rage against the Jews, and commanding the matter to be hastened, it happened as he was going with violence, that he fell from the chariot, so that his limbs were much pained by a grievous bruising of the body.

Thus he that seemed to himself to command even the waves of the sea, being proud above the condition of man, and to weigh the heights of the mountains in a balance, now being cast down to the ground, was carried in a litter, bearing witness to the manifest power of God in himself: So that worms swarmed out of the body of this man, and whilst he lived in sorrow and pain, his flesh fell off, and the filthiness of his smell was noisome to the army. And the man that thought a little before he could reach to the stars of heaven, no man could endure to carry, for the intolerable stench. And by this means, being brought from his great pride, he began to come to the knowledge of himself, being admonished by the scourge of God, his pains increasing every moment. And when he himself could not now abide his own stench, he spoke thus: It is just to be subject to God, and that a mortal man should not equal himself to God. Then this wicked man prayed to the Lord. (II Maccabees 5-13)

Antiochus Epiphanes died in 164 B.C.

Daniel 8:23-25

23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper and do his pleasure; and he shall destroy the mighty ones and the holy people. 25And through his policy he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and in their security shall he destroy many: he shall also stand up against the prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand (ASV).

This was called the Abomination of Desolation.

 

sooda

Veteran Member
The successors of Seleucus and Ptolemy are all prophesied in Daniel 10 and 11.

Out of the Seleucid line came the leader, Antiochus Epiphanes, who eventually exerted control over the Holy Land and imposed extreme persecutions to the Jews as described in Daniel chapter 8.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Empire of Antiochus IV

Seleucid-Empire_200bc.jpg
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
No.. they aren't.
The books of 1 and 2 Maccabees are early Jewish writings detailing the history of the Jews in the first century BC. Both books are part of the canon of Scripture in the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Coptic, and Russian Orthodox churches, but they are not recognized as canon by Protestants and Jews.

Maccabees 1 & 2 are suppose to be Old Testament writings.
But the thing is [as you said] not recognized as canon by the Jews.

Why the Maccabees Aren’t in the Bible
The books that tell the Hanukkah tale didn't make it into the Hebrew Bible -- but they are in the Catholic one.
By Rachael Turkienicz
Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Because they are Apocryphal Books

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sooda

Veteran Member
Maccabees 1 & 2 are suppose to be Old Testament writings.
But the thing is [as you said] not recognized as canon by the Jews.

Why the Maccabees Aren’t in the Bible
The books that tell the Hanukkah tale didn't make it into the Hebrew Bible -- but they are in the Catholic one.
By Rachael Turkienicz
Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Because they are Apocryphal Books

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The history of the Seleucid Empire and Antiochus are not in doubt.

After the death of Alexander the Great in the afternoon of 11 June 323 BCE, his empire was divided by his generals, the Diadochi.

One of them was his friend Seleucus, who became king of the eastern provinces - more or less modern Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, together with parts of Turkey, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. His kingdom was to have two capitals, which were founded in c.300: Antioch in Syria and Seleucia in Mesopotamia. Babylon and Seleucia in Pieria were other important cities.

Seleucus' reign lasted from 312 to 281, and he was succeeded by his descendants, who continued to govern this assembly of countries for more than two centuries.

Seleucids - Livius
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
The history of the Seleucid Empire and Antiochus are not in doubt.

After the death of Alexander the Great in the afternoon of 11 June 323 BCE, his empire was divided by his generals, the Diadochi.

One of them was his friend Seleucus, who became king of the eastern provinces - more or less modern Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, together with parts of Turkey, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. His kingdom was to have two capitals, which were founded in c.300: Antioch in Syria and Seleucia in Mesopotamia. Babylon and Seleucia in Pieria were other important cities.

Seleucus' reign lasted from 312 to 281, and he was succeeded by his descendants, who continued to govern this assembly of countries for more than two centuries.

Seleucids - Livius

It is very nice to know.

But what you know is like food.
There are food that are meant to be chewed and spit out
Like bubble gum, chewing gum that sort of thing
There are food that are meant to be eaten

Literary works like Macbeth, Huckleberry Finn, Spiderman, Iron Man, Avengers: End Game
are bubble gums

The Bible [Apocrypha excluded] Old Testament and New Testament
are things you live by

No author works, pornographic works, KKK works
are something you shouldn't even taste.
Its food cooked hot in....

cooktoilet.jpg
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No.. they aren't.
The books of 1 and 2 Maccabees are early Jewish writings detailing the history of the Jews in the first century BC. Both books are part of the canon of Scripture in the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Coptic, and Russian Orthodox churches, but they are not recognized as canon by Protestants and Jews.
Correct, but Luther did include them between the OT and NT in his original German version as he did feel they were at least worthy of reading.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Maccabees 1 & 2 are suppose to be Old Testament writings.
But the thing is [as you said] not recognized as canon by the Jews.

Why the Maccabees Aren’t in the Bible
The books that tell the Hanukkah tale didn't make it into the Hebrew Bible -- but they are in the Catholic one.
By Rachael Turkienicz
Why the Maccabees Aren't in the Bible | My Jewish Learning

Because they are Apocryphal Books

View attachment 27826
As a partial explanation, Jewish leaders did fear that Hellenization would taint texts from that relatively late time period, plus the belief was that the prophetic age had ended.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
It is very nice to know.

But what you know is like food.
There are food that are meant to be chewed and spit out
Like bubble gum, chewing gum that sort of thing
There are food that are meant to be eaten

Literary works like Macbeth, Huckleberry Finn, Spiderman, Iron Man, Avengers: End Game
are bubble gums

The Bible [Apocrypha excluded] Old Testament and New Testament
are things you live by

No author works, pornographic works, KKK works
are something you shouldn't even taste.
Its food cooked hot in....

View attachment 27827
Of course. Politics first.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
As a partial explanation, Jewish leaders did fear that Hellenization would taint texts from that relatively late time period, plus the belief was that the prophetic age had ended.

And to give a hint that an old testament book or new testament book is genuine and God breathe
The verses of the new mentions the verses of the old.

Example:

Jeremiah 31:31 compared with Hebrews 8:8


Next all of the scriptures are God's word and God's spirit will gather them
Each book in the NT contains OT verses hence not one will lack her mate
All of the 66 books are complete - none is missing
All of these came from the mouth of God - as Jesus said it is.

Isaiah 34:16 New International Version (NIV)
Look in the scroll of the Lord and read:

None of these will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is his mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And to give a hint that an old testament book or new testament book is genuine and God breathe
The verses of the new mentions the verses of the old.
I really don't get into that as I treat all scripture as allegory, focusing mainly on the teachings of morals and values that could be applicable today. IMO, the Sermon On the Mount could literally stand alone as being what we should believe and do.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I really don't get into that as I treat all scripture as allegory, focusing mainly on the teachings of morals and values that could be applicable today. IMO, the Sermon On the Mount could literally stand alone as being what we should believe and do.

The Sermon on the Mount is amazing and IMO revolutionary. Both Gandhi and Martin Luther King studied it for inspiration.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I really don't get into that as I treat all scripture as allegory, focusing mainly on the teachings of morals and values that could be applicable today. IMO, the Sermon On the Mount could literally stand alone as being what we should believe and do.

Well for me...
All Scripture is given by God, not a set of story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning
And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives.
It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live.
Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared
and will have everything they need to do every good work.

And that is in the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And that is in the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16
Obviously our approach to the scriptures is different, and that's all fine & dandy with me-- different strokes for different folks.

BTW, the Timothy citation does not apply to the NT since no canon had been selected at that time, and the same probably is true with most of the Tanakh for the same reason as the Jewish canon beyond Torah had not been selected either. Therefore, it may just apply to Torah.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Obviously our approach to the scriptures is different, and that's all fine & dandy with me-- different strokes for different folks.

BTW, the Timothy citation does not apply to the NT since no canon had been selected at that time, and the same probably is true with most of the Tanakh for the same reason as the Jewish canon beyond Torah had not been selected either. Therefore, it may just apply to Torah.

The decision of what is canon and what is not
have long passed and decided.
Biblical canon - Wikipedia

 
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