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Featured Anti-immigration People are Sodomites.

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by The Reverend Bob, Jul 1, 2019.

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  1. siti

    siti Well-Known Member

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    Mr. President
     
  2. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Nice specific, checkable claim. Not in any way vague or shiftable.
     
  3. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    But is has new shows that cover different material than the idealised stuff I half remember from my youth!

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    Good, but there's an old English word! Must be weed induced memory lost
     
  5. siti

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    You should lay off it.
     
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    No, I'm English we're genetically adapted to it

    (The Britishempire)
     
  7. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Yes, Deeje there are many things that are found to be morally disgusting in besides fornication (ekporneuō), and promiscuity such as:
    Those who are proud like the Sodomites were as per Ezekiel, and swift to mischief as in Genesis
    A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

    Proverbs 6:17-19

    Economic exploitation:
    A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.
    Proverbs 11:1

    Hypocrisy is an
    abomination

    The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
    Proverbs 15:8


    Pride:

    Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
    Proverbs 16:5


    Perverting justice:

    He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
    Proverbs 17:15


    Oppressing the poor and the needy:

    Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination
    Ezekiel 18:12

    Usury
    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
    Ezekiel 18:13

    In Isaiah 1 , when Isaiah calls Judah by the name of Sodom, what sins does he call them out for? For oppressing the poor, for economic exploitation and for ignoring the needy. In Isaiah 3 , he again compares them to Sodom and what for because they flaunt there wealth and are concerned with nothing. In Isaiah 13 he compares Babylon to Sodom, why? Because they are filled with pride. So far, in the two Prophets I have cited it is pride, economic exploitation and apathy that show up as the sins of Sodom. In Jeremiah when he compare Jerusalem to Sodom he names several sins and none of them are homosexuality.

    I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
    Jeremiah 23:14

    In Amos 4 the reason given has to why Samaria was to be destroy just like Sodom was that:
    Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
    Amos 4:4.

    When the Prophets reference Sodom some major themes come up, they associate Sodom with pride, apathy, economic exploitation and ignoring or outright hostility towards the poor and the needy. So why no mention of homosexuality if that was the main theme in the Genesis account? They don't associate it with that because culturally they have always associated Sodom with cruelty, pride and inhospitality. The men of Sodom didn't want to rape those men because the men of Sodom were homosexuals, they wanted to rape them because rape is an act of violence, they wanted to hurt and humiliate them, they wanted to dominate and exploit them, This is the same dynamic one would find in a prison were inmate rapes inmate not for sexual gratification but to kill the spirit of another and dominate them.

    The sin of Sodom is cruelty, pride and inhospitality and apathy just like the text says. Now if we look at the New Testament or Greek Scriptures we find that Jesus mentions Sodom a few times but when he does does he associate Sodom with homosexuality? No, he associates with disbelief and inhospitality.









     
  8. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    No doubt that the Sodomites were as wicked, if not more wicked than the Canaanites. But the incident concerning Lot's angelic visitors was that they wanted to be "intimate" with the men in Lot's house.....the same kind of 'intimacy' that Lot's daughters had not yet experienced. They only became violent when Lot refused them access to his visitors and offered them females instead.

    I have do doubt that they were all of those things.....but that does not alter the fact that they wanted to sodomize the men who came into Lot's house. An act of violence it would certainly have been. But the visitors took care of it themselves and rescued Lot and his family (minus the intended son-in-law) and then he ended up losing his wife due to her disobedience.

    What normal man wants to rape complete strangers, and males at that? Why are you defending them? God wiped them off the face of the earth. They were disgusting to him.

    You make them sound "naughty"......like God should have given them a smack on the wrist....yet God didn't use that word to describe these men. "Abomination" as I explained .....
    "According to Strongs, "abomination" in Hebrew is.... tôwʻêbah, to-ay-baw'; or תֹּעֵבַה tôʻêbah; feminine active participle of H8581; properly, something disgusting (morally)"

    If Sodom was not a city inclined to practice all manner of morally disgusting behavior, then why is the word sodomy (the dictionary definition meaning any degrading sexual practice, all of which were outlined in God's law) associated with that city? Sodomy is inextricably associated with anal intercourse, which is a morally disgusting act according to scripture. The sacred seed of life was not meant to be placed in a sewerage outlet. It is completely disrespectful to the God who created sex to be an honorable and intimate way for married people to produce a family. Any homosexual act is morally disgusting to the Creator, just as any immoral act between heterosexual couples is. Not married? No sex. Simple.

    Jude 7 says..."In the same manner, Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire."

    No need to revisit all this, its already been explained. I still think you are flogging a dead horse.

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    What are you talking about? Bonobos have done fine until humans began destroying their habitats.
     
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    I find it bizarre that you read a story about a mob wanting to gang-rape travelers, and you come away with the impression that the worst thing about this is that the rape would have been homosexual.
     
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    The rape is always violent, there whole intent was violence not consensual sex
    I am not defending them I am telling you what they were. They were violent and inhospitable and cruel. And that is why according the Prophets God wiped them out. Why would a man want to rape another man in such a way? It is obvious. They were living in a extremely oppressive and cruel dog eat dog society much like a prison and like an inmate in a prison in order for you to feel any power you do acts of violence against other people, just to show them you are in power. In order to show you that I am not a punk, I will make you a punk. That's a prisoner's mentality, the prison rapist doesn't think of himself as homosexual because he isn't a man having sex with another man, he is having sex with something that he doesn't even consider human nor alive. You are just some thing to be used and dominated. That's probably how the men of Sodom were thinking. Rape is always an act of violence not sexuality. To view rape as a sexual act is some seriously backwards 19th century thinking.

    Rape is about power, not sex | Jill Filipovic

    The term sodomite wasn't associate with homosexuality until after the 1st century AD, as you can see the Prophets associated the sin with economic atrocities, blasphemy and violence. I cited 4 Prophets who all are saying the same thing that the sin was inhospitality and cruelty, the only proof text you have is a mistranslated version of Jude. You can take the Prophets word for it or your own, but there seems to be a consensus with them that it was there viciousness towards others that got them snuffed.
     
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    Chimpanzee: widely spread in large numbers

    Bonobos: isolated and existing in small numbers

    But I agree our greed is destroying them both
     
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    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    They even give Lot the reason why they were doing this, because they want to show Lot who was boss:

    So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”

    And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.
    Genesis 19:6-9
     
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    You are absolutely correct. First, the thing which Jesus said was most important was to love others. He did, also, say to help the poor and needy as you said. It is my firm belief that many who call themselves Christians are not. They do not follow Jesus. I actually figured out that this is the reason the gate is narrow and few will enter. Many people calling themselves Christians will not enter. Their hearts are hardened.

    And according to the Pew Research Center, 69% of Latin Americans are Catholic. Over 84% were raised Catholic and 19% are Protestants. So, Latin America is 88% Christian.
    This study also reports that "the Catholic Church has experienced net losses from religious switching, as many Latin Americans have joined evangelical Protestant churches or rejected organized religion altogether."
    Religion in Latin America

    Evidently Latin America has many Evangelical Christians, the same denominations trying to keep them out of the United States.

    Since the Bible tells Christians to love one another, the people in the United States who claim to be Christians but try to bar the immigrants are evidently not following Jesus. Therefore, they are not Christians.

    I, personally, pray for a change. I believe that there will be a turnaround and God will prevail.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Before there was love, there was silence
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    This reminds me of a video from Neil deGrasse Tyson criticizing the concept of intelligent design. He mentioned how stupid it was to place an "amusement park" next to a "sewage plant" or somesuch. Lol. Take it up with your god. He also made anal pleasurable for males by placing the prostate there and making it sensitive.

    And why is semen sacred? The vast majority of women's eggs end up as waste.
     
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    Only if they are from Sodom......
     
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    Good Grief

    Ezekiel 16 isnt talking about the original Sodom Gods calling Judah Sodom because they were not taking their sin seriously

    Try taking a beginners Bible course
     
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    I believe "hospitality" is not the reason for the destruction of Sodom et al according to the Bible.
     
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    I believe one must read on: Ezek: 16:50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

    Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
     
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    I believe wickedness better fits God's attitude towards those who did not have His law.
     
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