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Featured Answer to Paradox of Stone

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by hispanicmormon, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. CogentPhilosopher

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    The concept is inherently self defeating.

    If a deity is omnipotent than it can create something more powerful than itself.

    If something can exist that is more powerful than itself than it is not omnipotent.
     
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  2. Skwim

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    All of which points up Christianity's penchant for overstating conditions without thinking them through or purposely ignoring their implications.

    "You know, let's say that god is omnibenevolent. That sounds like a pretty darn good god."

    "But look at all the killings and destruction he's set into motion."

    "Never mind that stuff. God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent...God is omnibenevolent."

    "Yeah! ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent...God is omnibenevolent. I'll start making up the flyers this afternoon."

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    This is not a paradox within Judaism. We don't believe that G-d can do anything, G-d can't do anything that limits G-d. Whether it's taking a limited form or impregnating a woman, it's impossible for G-d to do that.
     
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    Well in that case God is able to time travel to an imaginary future (I'm talking imaginary as in imaginary numbers because a rock that endlessly gains weight never arrives at this perfect future) and pick up the rock at the end of all times and at the end of all things then time travel back to his Omni-timed present.
     
  5. CogentPhilosopher

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    Your helping to show my point.

    The idea of being omnipotent is self defeating.
     
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    It's not that it's self-defeating; it's just beyond human comprehension.
     
  7. Thief

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    have you seen my thread....Black Holes.....?
     
  8. Revoltingest

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    This obsession with omnipotence is silly.
    Does it require that a deity be capable of achieving 2 + 2 = 5 ?
     
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  9. Thief

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    no....
    it requires His will to be greater than any one else

    including you

    you dumb Scot

    ooooops! sorry
    wrong thread
     
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    No, this thread is good for that.
     
  11. CogentPhilosopher

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    Oh don't try that bull****, I know your smarter than that.

    By that logic I can say: Lord Helix comes into our world from a videogame called Pokemon and then created the world.

    What that doesn't make sense? No it's just beyond human comprehension!

    Besides if it was beyond human comphresion we spent a long time thinking about the implications of it for not being able to comphrend it.
     
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    So God never actually lifts the stone?

    I don't see how this solves anything.
     
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    So God can lift the rock?
     
  14. Thief

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    so.....an explosive made by man....
    is more powerful than man

    not the op argument ....but....
     
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    "Greater than anyone else" does not mean "omnipotent."
     
  16. Mestemia

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    except that as he is lifting it he is lifting it thus it was not so heavy he could not lift it.
    Thus you have not "solved" anything.
     
  17. Thief

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    try telling HIM such a thing

    you might get to.....
     
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    So if you can't respond with reason, you respond with threats?
     
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    no threat....
    but when you get there....
    I'll stand back and watch

    good luck
     
  20. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    So your position is basically "my god might not be omnipotent, but he's powerful enough - and ill-tempered enough - to kick your butt"?
     
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