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Featured Another RCC Sex Scandal!

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. JJ50

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    If this guy is guilty of the multiple sexual abuse charges against him, I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.:mad:

    Whilst churches of other denominations have clergy who are sexual perverts like the UK Anglican Bishop whom the former Archbishop, George Carey, tried to protect, it is the Catholic church which seems to have been covering for so many of its priests who are guilty of this offence!
     
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    Not a new scandal just very slow at hitting the courts.
     
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  3. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    We need to separate what this cardinal may have done versus the RCC itself, as the latter does not teach that pedophelia is right and proper.

    Also, note that the allegation deals with events that took place one and a half decades ago whereas the church has finally gotten its act together to try and put the clamps down on offenders with this pope.
     
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    When you tell men that they must not marry or have sex, you are setting up the perfect situation for trouble. The Bible says that a bishop should have one wife. Why would the church decide to disregard this and forbid marriage? Isn't their religion supposed to come from the Bible? They ignore what God says and set themselves up for trouble. And they think they are God's church? They should follow what God says.
     
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    There is also the RCC response, attempts to cover up, victim blame, and harboring fugitives of the law. They may not teach pedophilia is good, but they have definitely shown a willingness to shield those who do it while blaming the free love of Hippies as a bad influence that distorted training and the victims themselves for seducing the priests.
     
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    It's homosexuality if you ask me.
     
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    It's the Roman Catholics :rolleyes:. What bothers me is they do not defrock the offender, but just move him to another parish and cover it up. They deserve to be sued. However, to balance it out, it's a small percentage of priests who turn out to be pedophiles. Most follow the Bible and the laws of their religion. Also, I read that in ancient times, homosexual men didn't have to many occupations they could do, but one of them was priesthood.
     
  8. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    It is not just the Catholics.
    My partner lost his cherry to a Methodist minister when he was ~10. When he told the church authorities locked arms around "Dear Brother Marion" and severely punished my partner for telling such lies.
    Brother Marion is still around. Who knows how many other boys he sunk his "hooks" into?
    Tom
     
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  9. Shiranui117

    Shiranui117 Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
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    Let's not conflate homosexuality with pedophilia, people.
     
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  10. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    Pedophiles are predatory by definition. What better hunting environment than a job where you're expected to not have sex with women, people inherently trust you, and you have abundant access to young children? It's no accident that there are so many pedophile priests. Such a situation would naturally draw people with that disease.
     
  11. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Yes, and I have also have complained about this as well, especially since my youngest daughter was sexually accosted by the choir director around 25 years ago and who merely then just got moved to a different parish. However, what I am also saying is that there has been changes from the Vatican on down to the local parish that I have seen and followed since this all hits very close to home.

    So, if we're going to assign blame, and I definitely think we should, then we have to make sure we blame the right people and not the entire organization. Some significant changes have been made, but probably more are needed, and I'm one who believes that having a married priesthood would help.
     
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    No, it is not.

    That used to be the case but no more as any found guilty are removed, plus the Vatican also has decreed that the offender must be turned over to the civil authorities for investigation and possible punishment if found guilty, with cooperation from church officials.

    BTW, the cardinal has been told that he must go back to Australia and deal with the civil authorities there.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    You seem to forget that your Bible has Paul stating that being celibate is the ideal-- remember?
     
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    And God told Adam and Eve to populate the earth. Kind of difficult if they were celibate. People were made to marry and have children.
     
  15. ChristineM

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    Nope it's pedophilia. Note the difference, one is desire for their own gender engaged in by consenting adults and one involves sexual desires of underage children.

    Why the confusion?

    Here is an article that you may find educational
    Homosexuality and Pedophila: The False Link | HuffPost
     
  16. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    The rcc (and others) should not protect those accused but rather have let the courts do their thing.

    Changes now do not excuse their historical actions.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Agreed, and the RCC church has made changes that reflect that.

    What has been done in other churches? It's not just a Catholic problem, so how many other churches, synagogues, temples, etc. have just hid their dirt under the rug as well?

    So, what are you proposing that hasn't already been mentioned?

    We cannot change history so, imo, I think it's best to learn from it and make corrections if needed. The RCC has finally done this.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    So, basically what you are saying is that Paul was wrong. OK, I can accept that w/o problem, but what else do you disagree with in regards to Paul and maybe some others in your N.T.? And how can you say that you believe and follow what's in your Bible when you take positions that go against that which is in your Bible?

    I Corinthians 7[8] "I’m telling those who are single and widows that it’s good for them to stay single like me."... [32] "I want you to be free from concerns. A man who isn’t married is concerned about the Lord’s concerns—how he can please the Lord. [33] But a married man is concerned about the world’s concerns—how he can please his wife. [34] His attention is divided. A woman who isn’t married or who is a virgin is concerned about the Lord’s concerns so that she can be dedicated to God in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the world’s concerns—how she can please her husband. [35] I’m saying this for your own advantage. It’s not to restrict you but rather to promote effective and consistent service to the Lord without distraction. "

    Now, are you going to believe what's written in your scriptures or not, lostwanderingsoul?
     
  19. ChristineM

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    I never said it was just a catholic problem, hence the (and others).

    Changes may have been made but how does that excuse the repeated failings of the past?

    It is a majority catholic problem and the problem a/ should never have occurred (these were extremely trusted people) in the first instance b/ perpetrators should not have been protected.

    I am not proposing anything, i am giving my opinion of repeated heinous crimes that were covered up.
     
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    As an organization, the Catholic Church I don't think has many redeeming qualities. Sure, they now accept modern science and have a Pope known for humbly serving the poor, but asides from the sex crimes they have been ardent opponents of gay rights, including same-sex adoption which "splash effect" of harming those they intent deny as well as those they try to help; except in this case the worse damage/harm is done to the unintentional victim. It calls into question should we focus on the history preserved, or how they got that history to preserve and that they are one of the worst offenders of hoarding wealth in history? The Roman Catholic Church is one of the longest lived, wealthiest, and most powerful organizations ever, and unless it becomes politically and socially obsolete and insignificant, I don't see it becoming any more capable of driving away and not attracting those who lust for money and power and will do harm to others to get it, nor replacing those too cowardly and pass blame with those who will speak out and take appropriate action.
     
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