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Animism, Astral, and Yesod

Discussion in 'Kabbalah DIR' started by Sedim Haba, Apr 8, 2022.

  1. Sedim Haba

    Sedim Haba Active Member

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    Anyone wish to discus the interrelationships of these? Don't care to write much for no participation.

    (Note: This is a DIR, with all rules applicable. I've checked, there is no Animism DIR, so it's fine)
     
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    What else can one say of our favorite Ever-Living God, Shaddai El Chai?

    Joking aside, it is nice to see a thread on this. I think understanding the human predilection for personification to be helpful in approaching animism, at least once you've avoided a regressive interpretation of it.
     
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    Well, Judaism's Monotheism makes the Animism of Kabbalah a bit different than other systems,
    as there's no attempt to personify as no other deities (humanized usually) are necessary.

    For example, no need for a harvest god, as all the plants have their own soul (spirit).
     
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    The latter example mentioned can actually be workable outside of a monotheistic context. The Jain model for example essentially bypasses intermediary spirits through the divinity of the soul, and this seems closer to the absolute reality of the matter. That being said, the use of spirit hierarchies and intermediaries has worked in a practical context for centuries, so it's understandable why the model is used often.
     
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    True, but not relevant to this particular DIR.

    Upon deeper consideration, The role of Angels (Mal'akh) should also be included.

    However, the focus should be if Yesod and the Astral plane are the same?
     
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    One would figure that Hod and Netzach would also make up the astral plane given the astral triad, but I can see a case being made for those being mediating principles and Yesod being the "environment" in a sense.
     
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    From what I understand, when one is in a dream, it is Yesod that one is in, not the higher parts of
    that Triad. Also, during Astral Projection. I am forever locked out of such exploration, as I expain
    in this post, I can't remember dreams, except under certain circumstances. And from what I
    understand certain exercises of awareness in dreaming are the prime channel to Astral Projection.

    Dreams
     
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    That sounds unfortunate, I find it hard to imagine what it would be like without dreams. What you've said does make sense though, Yesod being the storehouse of images and the other sephira being analogous to the faculties used to navigate it. And I believe you're right about the AP connection, I've heard of the potential for great gains to be made via lucid dreams, though it seems difficult to maintain the lucidity for very long, even if you achieve it in the first place. Just room for improvement I suppose, though.
     
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    My childhood Lucid Dream seemed to go on for hours, and was impossible to voluntarily end.
    That's what made it so terrifying to 4YO me. I remember most of it to this day, to my sorrow.
    Plus, a 4YO should NOT have to deal with Qliphoth. But, perhaps everyone does, at the
    Night Terrors stage of life? Only, mercifully, not having the memories I do.

    I have so few dreams that those I do have, I place significance in. Not all of course, one was
    just a typical 'Late/overslept for school/work' dream. However, if I had done Lucid exercises,
    I would have picked up on the problem with the dream bedside LED digital clock.
    Of course, it had no numbers, but Chinese-ish symbols. That would be a big clue!
     
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