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Featured Angels and demons.

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by LightofTruth, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Active Member

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    They must be white.
     
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  2. Stevicus

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    Well, have you ever tried to dance to harp music? It's just not possible.
     
  3. sooda

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    The "giants"?
     
  4. leov

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    Daimon in Greek means godlike. It is lesser see spiritual beings. Angel means "messenger". Both are spiritual beings. Ancient people used those terms precisely and, Imo, would not mixed those terms. Demon can be a
    messenger.
     
  5. Epic Beard Man

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    I believe the idea of angels turning into demons come from the foundation starting with the second temple through the book of Enoch to Jubilee. If I understand correctly, and someone can quote scripture to verify, the idea of angels falling from heaven comes from the passage mentioning Lucifer the morning star who fell from Heaven.

    Christian mystics interpreted further stating that Lucifer took 1/3 of Heaven’s angels with him. Now, if I could make an educated guess. These angels were so far removed from the glory of God to a place of torment and anguish that it took divine radiance and glory from them changing them into something else reflecting their abode.
     
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  6. Muffled

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    I just started watching Good Omens on Amazon Prime, so we get a funny view of each.

    As far as the op goes I don't think you can make a case form silence but isn't there something about fallen angels?
     
  7. Muffled

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    I suppose that would be so if one believed in the stereotypes. I believe the Bible says that Satan can turn himself into an angel of light but we will know by the fruit.
     
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    I believe the death Paul refers to may not always be physical death.
     
  9. shmogie

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    Hmmmm, who was cast out of Heaven ? Were they not corrupted angels ? Are they not now demonic angels, i.e. demons ?

    If not, where did the demons come from, and how could the one calling itself legion have known Christ ?
     
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    So, satan, being the angel lucifer, never sinned ? Seems not quite right to me.
     
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    actually it does
    implicitly and explicitly

    Revelation 12:9
    The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    Luke 11:18
    If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul.
     
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  12. URAVIP2ME

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    I find the implication is there by referring to the 'fallen angels' as sons of God at Genesis 6:2; Genesis 6:4
    Thus, those fallen angels are: demons.
    Satan is the dragon of Revelation 12:7-9. The dragon (aka Satan) fought and his angels ( aka demons)
     
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    Very good reasoning ^ above ^, and I find those heavenly fallen angels are also called as devils at Luke 4:41 KJV.
     
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  14. Samana Johann

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    Actually, Mara (a kind of equivalent to Satan, a.k.a. Namuci, "Kinsman of the heedless", the lure, master of death) is the "leader" of the lower Devas and Gods, (angles...) has often high Gods under his power, thinking on Baka, for example, a deluded God, considering himself as creater.
    In that far, it's neither right by it's nature, nor is it not found in profound scripts, that "angels" can never be "demons". That one has effort a certain position by ones merits, gained a certain sublime stand, does not necessary means that one will use it for the best. And that certain Gods and their priest lead not always only to good, is also easy to be observed. Something that one can observe in the human world as well. For more on the realms of existances, here.

    On the benefits and dangers of dwelling with the Gods and "Angles" also here.

    Much joy in exploring the many realms and ways in and out.
     
  15. Kapalika

    Kapalika EDM dancing gaygirl mystic
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    I dunno some of the demons I've met are pretty angelic and some of the angels I've met are pretty demonic.
     
  16. Niblo

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    Course it is!!! Get yer dancing clogs on, and Google:

    ARPACADABRA - Popular dancing harp
    YouTube · Adriano Sangineto
    9 Feb 2016

    Enjoy :p
     
  17. David T

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    Well Satan is the great deciever. Which begs the question whose his greatest victim?
     
  18. David T

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    Wait a minute, you take literalism to challenge literalism. Now that's good..
     
  19. David T

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    Ya know you seem to have an unreasonable prejudice against harps. And furthermore, clearly you are not an angel unless you show proof of wings and present a feather for dna testing to confirm scientifically.

    Therefore your inability to dance to harp music is irrelevant, only real angels can dance to it. And Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers they could for sure .
     
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  20. Samantha Rinne

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    You're showing ignorance here. The word demon means "spirit". Angels are good spirits, why the Bible nentions people possessed by evil spirits.

    Daemon (classical mythology) - Wikipedia
    Demon - Wikipedia

    It wasn't until like the Middle Ages when demon exclusively became used for evil spirits. Btw, angel refers to a messenger. There are evil angels, that give false messages (like Satan, who gives accusing messages).
     
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