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And There Is Not A Crisis At The Border?

Shad

Veteran Member
It may or may not also be a responsibility but
to pretend it is not a burden is just ridiculous.

Assigning a responsibility merely based on someone's opinion to the general population is nonsense. It is no more than me claiming you or all citizens are responsible for my bills because I said so.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you wanted to put some blame on Congress, Dems and Pubs, I would agree. And past Presidents as well, Obama, Bush, Clinton etc and their respective Congress(s) created this problem. But it didn’t become a crisis til Trump.

Answer me honestly. Has this problem gotten better, or worse since Trump took office with his bold leadership and strong immigration policy?
The decline started in 2007 when George Bush was in office. Went back up when Obama was in office. It continued declining when Trump took over. Based on Pew statistics. Overall it's been a fairly steady decline since '07.


What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico
 

esmith

Veteran Member
The problem is that those that are attempting to enter the U.S. from Central America know that all they have to do get to the border turn themselves in and they will be released into the country and the odds of them being located is next to nill.
So, get over the idea that it is the Presidents fault.
It is the fault of the Congress for kicking the can down the road for the past couple of decades. And the present House of Representatives could care less because they do not want to give this President any "wins".
So bugger off.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
You are declaring as a fact that a wall would
not change the movement of people across
a border?
The migrants are going to ports of entry. A wall wouldn't change that. This is a new 'crisis' and not the old 'crisis'. Like I said, a wall wouldn't alleviate this 'crisis'.

Don't expect republicans to slow illegal immigration, they come here to work on Big agriculture farms. Don't expect capitalists to change that.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The migrants are going to ports of entry. A wall wouldn't change that. This is a new 'crisis' and not the old 'crisis'. Like I said, a wall wouldn't alleviate this 'crisis'.

Don't expect republicans to slow illegal immigration, they come here to work on Big agriculture farms. Don't expect capitalists to change that.

Some migrants go to ports of entry. What percent?
How about the percent that might work on farms?

You do not seem to think there is any crisis involved.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Some migrants go to ports of entry. What percent?
How about the percent that might work on farms?

You do not seem to think there is any crisis involved.
I clearly stated that his current 'crisis' is different than the 'crisis' a year ago begging for a wall. The fact there's so many asylum seekers flooding our system IS a crisis. Don't mix up the crisis's.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I clearly stated that his current 'crisis' is different than the 'crisis' a year ago begging for a wall. The fact there's so many asylum seekers flooding our system IS a crisis. Don't mix up the crisis's.

When you clearly put a word in quotation marks
you clearly sometimes are ambiguous as to why.

Esp when you gratuitously mix in some anti
capitalist rhetoric.

The plural of crisis is crises.
Don't mix up your plural and possessive. :D
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
When you clearly put a word in quotation marks
you clearly sometimes are ambiguous as to why.

Esp when you gratuitously mix in some anti
capitalist rhetoric.

The plural of crisis is crises.
Don't mix up your plural and possessive. :D
This crisis is real w/ asylum seekers. The crisis a year ago was a hoax. A wall wouldn't alleviate the current crisis.

You're not a capitalist, neither am I. Would you agree that lobbyists for Big Agriculture are informing republicans to not stop the flow of workers? Due to capitalist reasons?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
This crisis is real w/ asylum seekers. The crisis a year ago was a hoax. A wall wouldn't alleviate the current crisis.

You're not a capitalist, neither am I. Would you agree that lobbyists for Big Agriculture are informing republicans to not stop the flow of workers? Due to capitalist reasons?

The flow of illegal crossings has been a serious issue
for many years.
What is or is not, what constitutes a crisis? Hard to
define.
Extreme language such as "hoax" is not demonstrably
more appropriate than calling it a crisis.

Capitalist...what am I? Maybe a jack-capitalist.
I own property outright, have a substantial share
in a lot more. Capitalism is very good for me.

Capitalism!*


Did I do any of it myself? Not really. Just only
child of only child in a successful extended family.
Kind of fell in my lap.

The R people say the demoncrats are letting them
all in for base and ignoble reasons, and the
soul of compassion liberals-you know. The BRPs
(bad R people) are letting them in.

Crazy country you have.


*hk skyline - Google Search:
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
The flow of illegal crossings has been a serious issue
for many years.
What is or is not, what constitutes a crisis? Hard to
define.
Extreme language such as "hoax" is not demonstrably
more appropriate than calling it a crisis.

Capitalist...what am I? Maybe a jack-capitalist.
I own property outright, have a substantial share
in a lot more. Capitalism is very good for me.

Capitalism!*


Did I do any of it myself? Not really. Just only
child of only child in a successful extended family.
Kind of fell in my lap.

The R people say the demoncrats are letting them
all in for base and ignoble reasons, and the
soul of compassion liberals-you know. The BRPs
(bad R people) are letting them in.

Crazy country you have.


*hk skyline - Google Search:
You're not a capitalist, most people aren't. Look up the definition of the word capitalist.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You're not a capitalist, most people aren't. Look up the definition of the word capitalist.

Dunno why my status is the main topic to you,
but I will respond this one more time to that.

I know what the word means. And I also know what
I am, who I am and what I do, which you do not.

In the event I did take pains to say "jack-capitalist".

You could look up "jack mormon"
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Dunno why my status is the main topic to you,
but I will respond this one more time to that.

I know what the word means. And I also know what
I am, who I am and what I do, which you do not.

In the event I did take pains to say "jack-capitalist".

You could look up "jack mormon"
cap·i·tal·ist
/ˈkapədləst/
noun
  1. 1.
    a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
  1. an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
cap·i·tal·ist
/ˈkapədləst/
noun
  1. 1.
    a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
  1. an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

You think you are telling me something I dont know?

It may be that you do not even have money in a
401K, if so, terrif, you can be a prole, and free of
the grim and tawdry vice of capitlaism. As long
as you dont live in a capitalist country like the USA.

If you do either, then you are a capitalist, and / or live in
a capitalist society.

As for the "wealthy", you can choose a definition
that inserts that word with capitalist, I see that is
what you did.

Chances are you are rich enough to be in the top
1% in the world, and if not, that is pretty sad for you-
and you probably dont have a dime to spare for a 401.

And I wish you good luck.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Some migrants go to ports of entry. What percent?
How about the percent that might work on farms?

You do not seem to think there is any crisis involved.

Nearly all arrive thru ports of entry.. There are 48 crossings on our southern borders.. ALL are manned 24/7.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
@metis , What is your suggestion as to what we do about the illegal border crossings. Respectfully
What should have been done when we knew this was coming:

1.let the Northern Triangle Countries and their people know that we will do everything we can to help them if they stay in place.

2.hired more lawyers and judges, such as what was recommended, to speed up processing those who still come here.

3.grant temporary asylum for those who qualify.

4.work with those who didn't qualify to see what other options might be available. And...

5. work with the other nations in the region as closely as possible to see what they could do to ameliorate the situation, possibly including creating closer trade relationships that may be able to create more jobs in the region-- sorta like a Marshall Plan for Latin america like that which helped to rebuild Europe and helped us to grow economically.

Maybe some other ideas that I'm not aware of that might help out, so are there any additions for you to suggest?
 
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