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And The Gaff's Live On

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by esmith, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    There was rumors of collusion with Wario through Luigi. We all know how that game is played.

    Impeach Biden !
     
  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I read the page you linked, it seems the title misrepresents the facts and your OP. Perhaps if you read it you will come to the same conclusion.

    Dufus yes, "Poor Joe seems he isn't being kept informened by his staff." Total nonsense
     
  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    The upshot is that you shouldn't criticize Biden for anything.
    Any criticism of Biden is invalid because because it would
    be the false equivalency fallacy. Why?
    I don't know. I tried, but couldn't figure it out. But that's what
    they tell me. Trump's evil is so great that you're not allowed
    to sully Biden or Harris. I think it might even be federal law
    now to require changing the subject from Biden to Trump.
     
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    From the link:

    Biden responded: "By the end of July this year. When we came into office, there was only 50 million doses that were available.

    "We have now...by the end of July, we will have over 600 million doses—enough to vaccinate every single American."

    It is therefore unlikely that Biden was attempting to claim that Trump's administration did not have a coronavirus vaccine available by the time he took over. He said exactly the opposite two minutes prior.


    Who knows what goes in that man's head but it's clear from the above he knows the situation (as in fully informed and in complete recall).
     
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    It just amazes me that some people are so biased and so petty that they ignore tens of thousands of Trump lies but jump on any perceived "gaffs" of Biden.

    In their minds, Trump could never have done anything wrong. I guess that's what defines a cult following.
     
  6. Twilight Hue

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    Just like the left!

    Cept its a cult of partisanship rather than a personality. Obama was the closest though for a cult based on personality.
     
  7. esmith

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    from the post-Trump-stress-disorder crowd I would hazard to guess.
     
  8. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    Well, I think it is fair to question why you chose not to hold previous administrations to the same standard. My guess is it is purely partisan against anything that isn't the GOP.
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    Does anyone call Dem & Pub administrations on
    misdeeds equally? Nah....no one does (IMO).
    If one can only criticize X if they equally criticize Y,
    then no criticism of either is valid.
    People will have biases. This doesn't make their
    opinions invalid. And it's not a standard of judgement
    that the accuser would want applied to oneself.
     
  10. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    Some level of consistency would be a nice bonus. Other times, like this one, it is glaring and pretty obvious. This doesn't discredit the point but it does discredit the person giving it.
     
  11. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Is it ever not glaring...people's tendency to
    criticize one side more than the other?
    Tis easier on us if we accept that all are
    biased. Woe unto the one's who believe
    they're above it all.
    The real trick...something we can actually
    do about it...is to ensure that our criticism
    is objective & cromulent, our biases
    notwithstanding.
     
  12. Quetzal

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    More than > never, which is what is happening here with esmith. It is possible I am missing something, but I cannot think of a single instance, in the entirety of the Trump administration, that Trump was held accountable or questioned by the OP. That is my point.

    It really doesn't matter to me, but there shouldn't be any whining or underhanded comments when others hold your feet to the flames over it.
     
  13. Revoltingest

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    So Esmith is biased.
    I am. You are. So is everyone else who would dismiss
    our opinions because of bias.

    You cannot recall him criticizing anything about Trump.
    Have you asked him if he did?
     
  14. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    If you are going to flip flop positions based on political party alone, is the discussion worth having? For me, that answer is clearly no. It happens in a majority of threads here, hence me spending less time here. I am not here to change his or your mind. Simply pointing out the reason his posts are not well received by others.
     
  15. Revoltingest

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    I don't understand this "flip flop" accusation.
    Could you explain?
    His opinions are troubling to some posters on the other
    side of the aisle. But I observe that this condition happens
    in both directions.
    It strikes me that too many people try to derail threads by
    the opposition. Criticize Biden...they bring up Trump.
    Criticize Trump...they bring up Biden. I believe this
    phenomenon is called "whataboutism", which is used to
    derail discussions.
     
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  16. Quetzal

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    Sure, the idea that when one party is in power and conducts themselves in a certain way is acceptable because they are the party you support. But then condemning others for acting in a similar fashion. In one instance, it is acceptable or excusable. In others, it isn't. Discussions quickly become circular because it is impossible to identify a spot to draw the line because it is always moving.

    In some cases, I agree. In others, it helps to have another example of similar conduct to try to find a place where both people agree. This is idealistic, but this discussion wouldn't have to happen if those of the various parties would hold their own accountable. In this specific example, a simple "I agree, Trump said things that I don't agree with either. But, for now, let's focus on Biden." Instead, we get none of that compromise so the position becomes a bit more aggressive. I am not innocent of this charge, it is something I am trying to work on.
     
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  17. Revoltingest

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    Yes, I see that too.
    OK.
     
  18. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    I was writing about your not dinging Trump not the reverse.
     
  19. esmith

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    I agreed with almost every decision he came to as far as the economy, national defense, and border security was concerned.
    Therefore why would I post anything in opposition to those decisions.
    However, I may not have agreed with his manner of expressing his opinion or other mannerisms.
    Those actions had little or no consequences on my life.
    But what difference did it make if I didn't make any of those view public knowledge?
    When you read anything I say here about any member of this administration concerning expressing their opinion or mannerisms feel free to call me out.
     
  20. ecco

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    So you need to ignore the difference between an occasional gaffe and 30,000 lies in order to keep believing.


    Also, you apparently need a refresher on the meaning of the word cult.

    cult
    /kəlt/
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    noun
    a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
    "the cult of St. Olaf"
    a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
    "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"

    a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing."a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
    A "cult of partisanship" is something you made up as another failed example of your need for whataboutism. It's comparable to six-year-olds screaming "Na na, you're a poopy pants"; "No, you are the poopy pants".

     
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