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Ancient cultures used fossil evidence to justify monsters of mythology

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
In another thread lost in time someone question whether ancient cultures used fossil evidence to justify the existence of the monsters and giants of mythology. The following is an interesting article about this,

From: Phoenix tracks: Edmonton palaeontologist retraces the stone footsteps of dinosaurs

Scott Persons with the University of Alberta is helping Lida Xing of the China University of Geosciences explore old and contemporary folklore to uncover possible sites where dinosaur footprints might be found.

In ancient China, the discovery of these prehistoric tracks mystified the population and ingrained belief in the phoenix, a giant supernatural bird.

'Humongous chicken scratch'

"The foot of a large carnivorous dinosaur like T. rex has three long forward-pointing toes, just like a bird's," Persons said in an interview with CBC Edmonton's Radio Active.

"The tracks of such dinosaurs look, for all the world, like a humongous chicken scratch so, they were thought to be made by a phoenix."

The phoenix, a divine mythological beast, was said to live only in places blessed with the utmost peace, prosperity and happiness. The track sites often became places of worship.

"There are a number cases where wonderfully preserved dinosaur footprints — multiple tracks — had been found and shrines were actually erected nearby," Persons said.

"The tracks themselves were considered objects of great reverence."

scott-persons.jpg

Scott Persons, a University of Alberta palaeontologist, is exploring the link between myths and real-life fossil sites. (Amanda Kelley)

In China, local folklore about dinosaur footprints is preserved in oral traditions which persist today.

These stories are steeped with the supernatural, but they contain legitimate clues on the possible location of forgotten track sites and can serve as a guide for paleontologists in East Asia, leading them to identify tracks unknown to science, Persons said.

This summer, Xing made a massive discovery near a remote village on the coast of China's Yellow Sea.

A plot the size of a football holds hundreds, possibly a thousand, well-preserved footprints from dinosaurs of various sizes and ages, representing at least seven species.

Persons said it's fascinating to realize just how accurate the ancient interpretation of the imprints were.

"What I really, really love about that example is that it's a case where ancient people got it right," Person said.

"They looked at the anatomy and they made the right connection. We understand today that birds are dinosaurs, it just took modern day paleontology several centuries to catch up."

Dragon bones

The phoenix myths — and the real stone footprints that led to them — are examples of how the old world shaped our modern day fascination with all things supernatural, said Persons.

The discovery of dinosaur fossils, although rare in ancient times, inspired many legends about mythical beasts which still survive today.

As far back as the 4th century BC, Chinese dinosaur bones were found and thought to belong to dragons.

The fire-breathing lizards were already prominent creatures in Chinese mythology, so it's natural that the bones would be interpreted that way, said Persons.

According to the Smithsonian, Chang Qu, a Chinese historian from the 4th century BC, mislabeled such a fossil in what is now Sichuan Province.


At a basic level, our fear of monsters — and much of the surviving folklore about them — is rooted in prehistory, said Persons.

"There were sabre-toothed cats, dire wolves, and cave bears all going bump in the night," Persons said.

"So, being scared of what might be hidden in dark places, or feeling the need to look over your shoulder as you stroll through the woods were, until very recently, sound and adaptive survival instincts."

Note correction: The Chinese Dragons are not fire breathing vicious Creatures. They are friendly compassionate 'nice guys' that play with the sun in the Eastern skies with the Feng Wang ( the better word for the mythical bird of China instead of the Western mythological bird the Phoenix.) The Chinese Dragon is modeled after the pig (Neolithic Zhu Long - Pig Dragon) and found dinosaur bones.
 

Tmac

Active Member
In another thread lost in time someone question whether ancient cultures used fossil evidence to justify the existence of the monsters and giants of mythology. The following is an interesting article about this,

From: Phoenix tracks: Edmonton palaeontologist retraces the stone footsteps of dinosaurs

Scott Persons with the University of Alberta is helping Lida Xing of the China University of Geosciences explore old and contemporary folklore to uncover possible sites where dinosaur footprints might be found.

In ancient China, the discovery of these prehistoric tracks mystified the population and ingrained belief in the phoenix, a giant supernatural bird.

'Humongous chicken scratch'

"The foot of a large carnivorous dinosaur like T. rex has three long forward-pointing toes, just like a bird's," Persons said in an interview with CBC Edmonton's Radio Active.

"The tracks of such dinosaurs look, for all the world, like a humongous chicken scratch so, they were thought to be made by a phoenix."

The phoenix, a divine mythological beast, was said to live only in places blessed with the utmost peace, prosperity and happiness. The track sites often became places of worship.

"There are a number cases where wonderfully preserved dinosaur footprints — multiple tracks — had been found and shrines were actually erected nearby," Persons said.

"The tracks themselves were considered objects of great reverence."

scott-persons.jpg

Scott Persons, a University of Alberta palaeontologist, is exploring the link between myths and real-life fossil sites. (Amanda Kelley)

In China, local folklore about dinosaur footprints is preserved in oral traditions which persist today.

These stories are steeped with the supernatural, but they contain legitimate clues on the possible location of forgotten track sites and can serve as a guide for paleontologists in East Asia, leading them to identify tracks unknown to science, Persons said.

This summer, Xing made a massive discovery near a remote village on the coast of China's Yellow Sea.

A plot the size of a football holds hundreds, possibly a thousand, well-preserved footprints from dinosaurs of various sizes and ages, representing at least seven species.

Persons said it's fascinating to realize just how accurate the ancient interpretation of the imprints were.

"What I really, really love about that example is that it's a case where ancient people got it right," Person said.

"They looked at the anatomy and they made the right connection. We understand today that birds are dinosaurs, it just took modern day paleontology several centuries to catch up."

Dragon bones

The phoenix myths — and the real stone footprints that led to them — are examples of how the old world shaped our modern day fascination with all things supernatural, said Persons.

The discovery of dinosaur fossils, although rare in ancient times, inspired many legends about mythical beasts which still survive today.

As far back as the 4th century BC, Chinese dinosaur bones were found and thought to belong to dragons.

The fire-breathing lizards were already prominent creatures in Chinese mythology, so it's natural that the bones would be interpreted that way, said Persons.

According to the Smithsonian, Chang Qu, a Chinese historian from the 4th century BC, mislabeled such a fossil in what is now Sichuan Province.


At a basic level, our fear of monsters — and much of the surviving folklore about them — is rooted in prehistory, said Persons.

"There were sabre-toothed cats, dire wolves, and cave bears all going bump in the night," Persons said.

"So, being scared of what might be hidden in dark places, or feeling the need to look over your shoulder as you stroll through the woods were, until very recently, sound and adaptive survival instincts."

Note correction: The Chinese Dragons are not fire breathing vicious Creatures. They are friendly compassionate 'nice guys' that play with the sun in the Eastern skies with the Feng Wang ( the better word for the mythical bird of China instead of the Western mythological bird the Phoenix.) The Chinese Dragon is modeled after the pig (Neolithic Zhu Long - Pig Dragon) and found dinosaur bones.

Don't you think that this, "At a basic level, our fear of monsters — and much of the surviving folklore about them — is rooted in prehistory, said Persons." could be said of all that we believe.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In another thread lost in time someone question whether ancient cultures used fossil evidence to justify the existence of the monsters and giants of mythology. The following is an interesting article about this,

From: Phoenix tracks: Edmonton palaeontologist retraces the stone footsteps of dinosaurs

Scott Persons with the University of Alberta is helping Lida Xing of the China University of Geosciences explore old and contemporary folklore to uncover possible sites where dinosaur footprints might be found.

In ancient China, the discovery of these prehistoric tracks mystified the population and ingrained belief in the phoenix, a giant supernatural bird.

'Humongous chicken scratch'

"The foot of a large carnivorous dinosaur like T. rex has three long forward-pointing toes, just like a bird's," Persons said in an interview with CBC Edmonton's Radio Active.

"The tracks of such dinosaurs look, for all the world, like a humongous chicken scratch so, they were thought to be made by a phoenix."

The phoenix, a divine mythological beast, was said to live only in places blessed with the utmost peace, prosperity and happiness. The track sites often became places of worship.

"There are a number cases where wonderfully preserved dinosaur footprints — multiple tracks — had been found and shrines were actually erected nearby," Persons said.

"The tracks themselves were considered objects of great reverence."

scott-persons.jpg

Scott Persons, a University of Alberta palaeontologist, is exploring the link between myths and real-life fossil sites. (Amanda Kelley)

In China, local folklore about dinosaur footprints is preserved in oral traditions which persist today.

These stories are steeped with the supernatural, but they contain legitimate clues on the possible location of forgotten track sites and can serve as a guide for paleontologists in East Asia, leading them to identify tracks unknown to science, Persons said.

This summer, Xing made a massive discovery near a remote village on the coast of China's Yellow Sea.

A plot the size of a football holds hundreds, possibly a thousand, well-preserved footprints from dinosaurs of various sizes and ages, representing at least seven species.

Persons said it's fascinating to realize just how accurate the ancient interpretation of the imprints were.

"What I really, really love about that example is that it's a case where ancient people got it right," Person said.

"They looked at the anatomy and they made the right connection. We understand today that birds are dinosaurs, it just took modern day paleontology several centuries to catch up."

Dragon bones

The phoenix myths — and the real stone footprints that led to them — are examples of how the old world shaped our modern day fascination with all things supernatural, said Persons.

The discovery of dinosaur fossils, although rare in ancient times, inspired many legends about mythical beasts which still survive today.

As far back as the 4th century BC, Chinese dinosaur bones were found and thought to belong to dragons.

The fire-breathing lizards were already prominent creatures in Chinese mythology, so it's natural that the bones would be interpreted that way, said Persons.

According to the Smithsonian, Chang Qu, a Chinese historian from the 4th century BC, mislabeled such a fossil in what is now Sichuan Province.


At a basic level, our fear of monsters — and much of the surviving folklore about them — is rooted in prehistory, said Persons.

"There were sabre-toothed cats, dire wolves, and cave bears all going bump in the night," Persons said.

"So, being scared of what might be hidden in dark places, or feeling the need to look over your shoulder as you stroll through the woods were, until very recently, sound and adaptive survival instincts."

Note correction: The Chinese Dragons are not fire breathing vicious Creatures. They are friendly compassionate 'nice guys' that play with the sun in the Eastern skies with the Feng Wang ( the better word for the mythical bird of China instead of the Western mythological bird the Phoenix.) The Chinese Dragon is modeled after the pig (Neolithic Zhu Long - Pig Dragon) and found dinosaur bones.
Early science!!! That's all science is. It also gave us the Easter bunny as well!!! Ow that science itself and the application of it is killing the planet more science is needed. That's where the term more on and on was derived from compressed to moron. I am sure it used to be French.
 

SabahTheLoner

Master of the Art of Couch Potato Cuddles
The dinosaur fossils also showed up in medieval Europe sometimes and local scientists would gather them. And they too had dragon myths.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Early science!!! That's all science is. It also gave us the Easter bunny as well!!! Ow that science itself and the application of it is killing the planet more science is needed. That's where the term more on and on was derived from compressed to moron. I am sure it used to be French.

Huh?!?!?!?!
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Early science!!! That's all science is. It also gave us the Easter bunny as well!!! Ow that science itself and the application of it is killing the planet more science is needed. That's where the term more on and on was derived from compressed to moron. I am sure it used to be French.
Not early science. Trying to fit observations into an existing mythology is not science. Science is a posteriori. It came into general usage only recently.
Science collects evidence, proposes possible explanations, and tests them. Unsupported presuppositions about mythical beasts are not part of this process.

Moron: originally Greek for stupid or foolish. Came to English through it's adaptation into the Latin lexicon.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not early science. Trying to fit observations into an existing mythology is not science. Science is a posteriori. It came into general usage only recently.
Science collects evidence, proposes possible explanations, and tests them. Unsupported presuppositions about mythical beasts are not part of this process.

Moron: originally Greek for stupid or foolish. Came to English through it's adaptation into the Latin lexicon.
LOL. I actually was a science major, your delusion is hilarious. I won't even bother might as well talk about noahs ark with a creationist
 
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